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American politics

LutonSpurs said:
Violation of sovereignty and force prohibition: The U.S. military action on Venezuelan territory and abduction of a sitting head of state is a significant violation of Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, which prohibits the use or threat of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state without UN Security Council authorization or self-defense justification
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There are a few legal arguments the US can and will use against this.

1) They did so with the consent of Venezuela's lawful administration. As Maduro is widely accepted to have stolen the election, the permission of those who really did is enough

2) Not a "use of force". The US can (and will) argue that this was not a use of force within the scope of the article. It was not a military operation, it was a law enforcement operation, etc.

3) The philosophical argument. If a law doesn't carry any punishment or any mechanism with which to cause or create a punishment, does it even count as a law? The US has a veto in the security council, so it's impossible for the US to be found in breach and have any action taken. So if it can't be found to have breached the law, it must be lawful.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
agree to disagree. Trumps taking America down the toilet and they’ll take Venezuela with them.
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Trump will be gone in a couple of years, that's the beauty of democracy.

Just like Starmer's taking the UK down the toilet, and Reform probably will as well when they replace them. But after that we can vote in a grown up party and get the economy back again.
 
scaramanga said:
Trump will be gone in a couple of years, that's the beauty of democracy.

Just like Starmer's taking the UK down the toilet, and Reform probably will as well when they replace them. But after that we can vote in a grown up party and get the economy back again.
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Maybe. My fear is trump will use foreign conflicts as an excuse to suspend the midterms and subsequently suspend us democracy indefinitely. It’s what the power behind the throne wants!
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Maybe. My fear is trump will use foreign conflicts as an excuse to suspend the midterms and subsequently suspend us democracy indefinitely. It’s what the power behind the throne wants!
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I can't see that happening.

There might be a right wing majority on the SC but there's not a majority of Trumpists. There are at least two from the conservative wing who value the rule of law over Trump's needs.
 
scaramanga said:
I can't see that happening.

There might be a right wing majority on the SC but there's not a majority of Trumpists. There are at least two from the conservative wing who value the rule of law over Trump's needs.
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Either they nor the democrats have done a good job of holding trump accountable to the rule of law to date, what’s going to change?
 
scaramanga said:
Currently the only people benefitting from Venezuela's oil are Maduro's party and China.

The absolute worst case is that becomes Maduro's party and the US. So the very worst case is better. If the people of Venezuela begin to profit from that through jobs, infrastructure or a richer government then that's even better.
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Chinese people probably think the worst case is America chugging on Venezuelan oil.

Why is a Maduro party tie up with the US any better than China?
 
LutonSpurs said:
Aah cut the big man talk. You are a nepo baby wimp. A woman was murdered.
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A criminal was arrested trying to harm an officer.

Actually, I don't know which it was because all we have is a video that was being filmed and posted by someone who was there to protest for one side and a long-range grainy video from the other side.

But it's pretty ridiculous to jump on the "iT wAs MuRdEr" bandwagon before a single pair of trainers has even been looted yet.
 
scaramanga said:
A criminal was arrested trying to harm an officer.

Actually, I don't know which it was because all we have is a video that was being filmed and posted by someone who was there to protest for one side and a long-range grainy video from the other side.

But it's pretty ridiculous to jump on the "iT wAs MuRdEr" bandwagon before a single pair of trainers has even been looted yet.
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Its less ridiculous than the bs bravado she deserved it stuff you are posting.
 
scaramanga said:
Sorry, are you asking me to tell you why China is bad?
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Yes, line them up side by side with the US (in its current guise).
And someone from China might see it differently. We view things thru a western lense.

Also, if the US 'allow' (haha) Venezuela to have a fair and open election to re-instate some form of democracy...and then that new government/leader wants to partner with China on oil etc ....then are they going to get a 'fair do's' from the US?
 
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