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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 90 58.1%

  • Out

    Votes: 65 41.9%
  • Total voters
    155
DeanoAustin said:
I have to say, I find it fairly distasteful that the difference in prize money for finishing 16th rather than 17th in the league is more than you get for winning both the League Cup and FA Cup. No wonder clubs put out weak sides in those competitions early on.
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That’s the FA’s fault, they could make more money from the TV rights.
 
Raziel said:
But the point is he isn't being sacked after a NLD, or a 6-3 loss at home to Liverpool, or losing to Ipswich with pretty much his full team.

If Ange gets sacked it's because this season he has the worst record of a Spurs side to this point in a season in the PL era, it's because post the first 10 games in charge, our form has been miserable, and this despite 300M in investments for players, on the back of already having players like Romero, Bentancur, Porro, Deki, Son in the squad.

I like Ange, and when they do, to your point I hope it's done as best as you can, but he, more than any Spurs manager I can remember, will have the least to complain about re why.
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Yeah, I totally get it.

I'm guessing he will be like Nuno and show a load of class in that scenario.

He won't have the least to complain about though. Firstly, you have Nuno who could have quite easily named and shamed a lot of people at our club including our chairman with his lack of football DNA, and the England captain with his total passive aggressive attitude, plus others.

Before that there was the narcissist who was lucky his own players e.g. Dele didn't kick the brick out of him when he deserved it. He should have got nowhere near being the manager at the business end of that season. Then there was Conte, who didn't have the ability as a football manager to nurture a squad, and failed miserably twice to leave his beloved country and last 2 years in the toughest league in the world (despite winning the league). These 2 pricks had nothing to complain about.

I'll let Steff and co share the case for Poch. I accepted it his departure, whilst others didn't. That guy had built a strong case not to get the bullet though. LOL - the guy that made the decision is no more qualified than you and I to make that decision but was / is a major shareholder.

Ange frustrates me immensely, but I will still say it is still too early to fire the gun.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, I totally get it.

I'm guessing he will be like Nuno and show a load of class in that scenario.

He won't have the least to complain about though. Firstly, you have Nuno who could have quite easily named and shamed a lot of people at our club including our chairman with his lack of football DNA, and the England captain with his total passive aggressive attitude, plus others.

Before that there was the narcissist who was lucky his own players e.g. Dele didn't kick the brick out of him when he deserved it. He should have got nowhere near being the manager at the business end of that season. Then there was Conte, who didn't have the ability as a football manager to nurture a squad, and failed miserably twice to leave his beloved country and last 2 years in the toughest league in the world (despite winning the league). These 2 pricks had nothing to complain about.

I'll let Steff and co share the case for Poch. I accepted it his departure, whilst others didn't. That guy had built a strong case not to get the bullet though. LOL - the guy that made the decision is no more qualified than you and I to make that decision but was / is a major shareholder.

Ange frustrates me immensely, but I will still say it is still too early to fire the gun.
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Companies, all companies have a risk tolerance, Ange has pushed that to the limit with Spurs. We all laugh and say we can't/won't get relegated, we are in relegation form and it's the actual job of Munn, Levy & Lange to make sure it not only not happens, but is not possible to happen.

I am serious when I say if we get knocked out of the cups and finish outside of the top 10, Munn will have some answering to do, not just Ange.

But question for you, what is the compelling reason to stick with Ange that isn't just about continuity or some concern about the replacement?
 
Raziel said:
Companies, all companies have a risk tolerance, Ange has pushed that to the limit with Spurs. We all laugh and say we can't/won't get relegated, we are in relegation form and it's the actual job of Munn, Levy & Lange to make sure it not only not happens, but is not possible to happen.

I am serious when I say if we get knocked out of the cups and finish outside of the top 10, Munn will have some answering to do, not just Ange.

But question for you, what is the compelling reason to stick with Ange that isn't just about continuity or some concern about the replacement?
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What I would say is that you could be absolutely right. This one isn't black or white.

So where my head is at that I thought I saw a positive trend at the start of this season. My big frustration last season was the 61 goals conceded, whilst we more than compensated for the loss of Kane at the other end. I thought I saw a scenario where season 2 would see 80 goals scored and something like 40-25 conceded. Some great posts from guys like Bedford sharing some root causes e.g. no of crosses / vs marking from crosses and I thought that issue would normalise itself. Then I was thinking that we never really saw the true Ange team last season because the returning players never got to their optimum after injuries. I expected the bad days at the office this season as the adjusted squad assimilated to EL football on top of the 3 other comps. Then the injuries and fatigue hurt our club, and we have never really seen things completely normalise.

I might be clutching at straws, but I really want to see a period where we can test Ange's tactical system. I don't think we've seen that yet.

As you know, I still have my doubts about Ange's acumen, but I want to be fair to the guy and give him until the end of the season....at least.
 
Kompakted said:
If we lose to Everton is it starting to enter untenable territory?
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Not for me personally. I think failure in both Europa and CC alongside continuing poor league through February would really start to put the pressure on everything and everyone. But I do accept that defet on Sunday will be very uncomfortable for us all, me included, and that my 'logic' could equally be considered grossly illogical!
 
thfcsteff said:
Not for me personally. I think failure in both Europa and CC alongside continuing poor league through February would really start to put the pressure on everything and everyone. But I do accept that defet on Sunday will be very uncomfortable for us all, me included, and that my 'logic' could equally be considered grossly illogical!
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I mean more untenable for the club. Its would put Everton 4 points behind us with a game in hand and you look at Everton, they've just sacked THEIR manager and anyone looking outside in would say they've had an absolute disaster of a season so far and their expectations were very much lower than ours going into the season.....we'd be going into the Leicester game very much regarding that as the traditional "6 pointer".
 
billyiddo said:
I have had a bit of a think regarding the situation atm as it seems so out of the ordinary for us to be where we are in the table and seemingly there being no pressure on the manager from within and only noises from the club regarding it not being an intention to sack him - previous managers have all been let go while the team was in a better position. Why is that?

To me the most likely suggestion put forward that I have seen is that the Club considered that with a rebuild of this magnitude a season like this was going to be a potential outcome - people can do their own leg work but player turnover has been incredibly high these past two seasons and there has clearly been a focus within that to lower the average age of the squad - now i don't think this entirely excuses Ange of what we are seeing and i do think there are likely plenty of managers who would be doing a better job with the hand he has been dealt, so the only way I can square the club not making a change is because they are placing less importance on league position/performance than they have done previously and they are content to muddle through as the priority currently is squad (re)building.

I also think it's likely that Ange was in part chosen as the man to see us through this potentially rocky period rocky period because he's proven to be a person that his clubs supporters will get behind and his style of play, or attempted style of play, will be more acceptable than a Conte/Nuno/Mourinho and buy him & the club time to do what is requires - in some ways it's a bit of a masterstroke of an appointment because despite watching one of our worst ever seasons unfold there isn't really that much pressure on the manager from supporters.

With that in mind I'm going to take a 'bigger picture' view to the rest of the season.
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The thing is though the football isn't even that great. Yes the passing out from the back can be good but half the time we lose it and there is an attack against us.

Id say it's is marginally better than Conte football, but better than Mourinho football.

A lot of sideways and backwards football, and the only attacking football comes when we are being attacked, so basically more dangerous type of counter attacking football.

However the defending is miles worse than those two, so if you want to continue with watching games of football where you concede loads of chances and have quite a few chances (yet fail to score majority of those chances) then that's what you're going to get.

I'm bored in most matches of our style, and have said before I'd rather Conte or Mourinho football, and that's saying something.

I think he's got until the Liverpool game and we shall see what the result is, if we lose he's gone.

We hell ain't winning tomorrow live on Sky, so even closer to the bottom 3 come 4pm.
 
So injuries are costing us points maybe understandably, (I don't subscribe to the fact that it should be relegation form however) and Europe will cost us points due to tiredness. That means in a few weeks time when both potentially come together, we will drop like a stone. That's why we shouldn't discount us going even lower in the league. In that context too, it's difficult to make a case for keeping Ange.
 
Robspur12 said:
So injuries are costing us points maybe understandably, (I don't subscribe to the fact that it should be relegation form however) and Europe will cost us points due to tiredness. That means in a few weeks time when both potentially come together, we will drop like a stone. That's why we shouldn't discount us going even lower in the league. In that context too, it's difficult to make a case for keeping Ange.
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I agree. If you get chance to watch the video above Ange is very well analysed. They point out that at one stage against Arsenal we were playing a 4-1-5 formation
 
I'm watching the Saudi Sportswashing Machine v Bournemouth game at the moment and it makes me sad....

Bournemouth have got a lot of injuries apparently but they play so well as a team... lots of running, aggression and skill.

Also, when Saudi Sportswashing Machine equalised they didn't let their heads go down and got back in the lead.... So good mental strength as well...

We look so far behind them and, although I am still Ange in, he must take a lot of the blame for the current situation...
 
Kompakted said:
If we lose to Everton is it starting to enter untenable territory?
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I think if we lose to Everton and don’t beat Leicester, he’s in real danger especially if that sucks us closer to a relegation fight. I’m not expecting to beat Everton but I am expecting to beat Leicester.

Whatever way the board are thinking, he has to be on thin ice. I think they’re right to give him time but it wouldn’t have been a ridiculous decision of they’d sacked him by now.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I think if we lose to Everton and don’t beat Leicester, he’s in real danger especially if that sucks us closer to a relegation fight. I’m not expecting to beat Everton but I am expecting to beat Leicester.

Whatever way the board are thinking, he has to be on thin ice. I think they’re right to give him time but it wouldn’t have been a ridiculous decision of they’d sacked him by now.
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I think that's the thing. He couldn't have any arguments if he was sacked. He has in theory no credit or track record like say a Mourinho or Conte have to suggest he can manage at this level or turn around the situation we are in.

Nobody would bat an eyelid if he was sacked today. In fact many are wondering why he is being given so much time. Look at Nuno. We sacked him at the very first wobble and look at his track record in the PL and La Liga. That's basically the ice that Ange is on. It's almost bizarre that you can have a zero experience manager in charge of a club expected to be in the top 6 and be in this position in January and not pull the trigger.
 
Gazza said:
Can we all stop pretending now and all agree that iriola is the man we need now. We have a better chance of winning silverware …. Adios Ange and Good’ay Iriola
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It was nice to watch New Cash get pumped 4-1 at home by lowly Bournemouth. Maybe Bournemouth are actually quite good. Maybe the fabled Tonali-Guimaraes-JoeLinton trio is getting tired from playing every week.
 
Bullet said:
It was nice to watch New Cash get pumped 4-1 at home by lowly Bournemouth. Maybe Bournemouth are actually quite good. Maybe the fabled Tonali-Guimaraes-JoeLinton trio is getting tired from playing every week.
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Saudi Sportswashing Machine are in a rich vein of form at the moment. This is a very impressive result for Bournemouth -away from home on the back of being seconds away from beating the Chavs at the bridge.
 
Robspur12 said:
Saudi Sportswashing Machine are in a rich vein of form at the moment. This is a very impressive result for Bournemouth -away from home on the back of being seconds away from beating the Chavs at the bridge.
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I read they had 9 players out v Chelsea - dunno how many are starters but it's good to see that the manager can perform in such circumstances
 
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