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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 68 38.2%
  • Out

    Votes: 110 61.8%

  • Total voters
    178
I don’t think either of those sides passed the ball particularly well. And they had Bale and Kane.

It’s a similar setup to City - one of the most successful teams of the modern era.

Who had the best players in each position and then a back up of similar quality. They were able to discard Cancelo and Laporte and still win. Now City's recruit has been average as they've pretended to be a normal club their results have fallen off. This is the first time Pep is managing without the best players and he's tactics are being exposed.

The flaw in his (Ange's) set up is that it requires the players to be better than the oppositions. He'll never be in that position at this club and should have adapted to this accordingly.
 
Get rid of this fkn clown today please. Hes up there with Terry Neil, Jaques Santini and Christian Gross.
But given the money he has been afforded to spend, i d say he is top of that list.
If not for 3 abysmal promoted teams he would be taking us to the championship.
Dont forget 2 of those 3 convincingly beat us at our place.
We ve got about a 10% chance of winning Europa, but zero chance with this fraud of a manager.
He ll be managing Adelaide Utd next, theyve just sacked thier manager.
 
Levy is sending all the Levy out fans a big fudge you with this. He is going to wait until we are out of Europe and then say, well i did give him time like you wanted and i didn't sack him before a major cup quarter final as you moaned about it so much last time.
Last time was before a final so big difference.
 
Just want Ange to go out on a high - lifting the Europa Cup. He's not a bad manager. And if it wasn't for the school-yard press and its lack of sophistication, I would give him more time. He has got us passing and attacking in a way that I've not seen us play before. His system pushes what is possible to the limit, and I like that, and given time and refinment there is potential for this to pay dividends. Today for example, if we refined our play and didn't make errors, then we'd have won easily. But we're constantly fighting an uphill battle, especially when we conceed first. We have a lot of young players, and an unsettled side too.

We all know Ange isn't going to be here next season. He knows it too. How awesome would it be if he stepped away on a high, as the most successful Spurs manager of modern history? It is unlikely as his authority is undermined and we ship goals, but IS possible. The players are still playing for him, and I am sure they would love to give him a send-off by winning the EL.
He is a terrible manager. Clueless at the back, suicidal playing out from the keeper when blind Freddy can see the keeper and players arent good enough to immitate peak City. Totally blunt up front too.
 
With todays 17th defeat of the league campaign he has now over taken seasons 97/98, 01/02 and 02/03 with only 3 seasons with more losses - next target is 18.

With 18 points left to play we can only get to 55 points, which is the lowest since 08/09 and out 10th worse points haul in PL history, that's if we win them all.

Over the past 38 PL games we’ve only picked up 43 points, thank feck the promoted teams have been so utterly atrocious .

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Its truly perplexing. 😅
No it's not it's called opinions you want him gone asap which is a valid opinion.Others disagree there opinions are also valid even if you disagree with them.for what it's worth my opinion is let him see out the season then let the board decide if he should be sacked or given another season. If the club decide to keep him he has my support if they choose to sack him the new guy will have my support
 
The poll still indicates 1 in 3 members still want Ange in, and I can't help but wonder if they support another team. When I joined this forum I was castigated for my opinion on Ange, but at least the majority are coming around to my way of thinking. I said I wanted him gone last season because it was obvious the man is tactically inept. We now have an almost totally fit squad, and we don't look any better than we did when we had all those injuries. The arrogant bar steward keeps saying he takes responsibility, then he blames the players of individual errors. I dearly hope Levy pulls the lever on Thursday when we get knocked out
 
No it's not it's called opinions you want him gone asap which is a valid opinion.Others disagree there opinions are also valid even if you disagree with them.for what it's worth my opinion is let him see out the season then let the board decide if he should be sacked or given another season. If the club decide to keep him he has my support if they choose to sack him the new guy will have my support
Just a joke mate.
 
The poll still indicates 1 in 3 members still want Ange in, and I can't help but wonder if they support another team. When I joined this forum I was castigated for my opinion on Ange, but at least the majority are coming around to my way of thinking. I said I wanted him gone last season because it was obvious the man is tactically inept. We now have an almost totally fit squad, and we don't look any better than we did when we had all those injuries. The arrogant bar steward keeps saying he takes responsibility, then he blames the players of individual errors. I dearly hope Levy pulls the lever on Thursday when we get knocked out
Not going to dispute your opinion but the fact is all the eggs are in the Europa basket and have been for some time, the almost fully fit squad (minus one of our few genuinely decent players) is only getting properly played in the Europa. The players rightly or wrongly are reigning it in for PL games (albeit some of them just aren't good enough anyway). A back 4 of Gray, Romero, Davies, Spence was always going to be useless. No excuses Thursday, it will be full pelt with our full strength team....
 
Not going to dispute your opinion but the fact is all the eggs are in the Europa basket and have been for some time, the almost fully fit squad (minus one of our few genuinely decent players) is only getting properly played in the Europa. The players rightly or wrongly are reigning it in for PL games (albeit some of them just aren't good enough anyway). A back 4 of Gray, Romero, Davies, Spence was always going to be useless. No excuses Thursday, it will be full pelt with our full strength team....
This can’t be the latest rationale for our league performances. There is 3m at stake for a league place. For us to continue losing in the league is costing the club significant money. West Ham and Wolves overtake us and that’s another 6m gone.

There is a real risk of us finishing 17th. That’s incomprehensible to me. We’re likely to finish bottom six for the first time ever in the Premier League. It’s not acceptable on any level that players don’t apply themselves because they’re saving themselves for Europe. That’s a dereliction of duty and an insult to match going fans.

I don’t buy it personally. I just think the whole thing has gotten to the stage where everyone knows the game is up and we’re sleepwalking to the worst possible season. The only reason I can see that we haven’t pulled the trigger is that we wanted to give him a fair crack at it and there is a clause in his contract that allows for instant dismissal without a pay out if we don’t make Europe. Nothing else makes a lick of sense to me.
 
Not a bad manager - has win trophies in all his jobs. Great motivator and psychologist. Also has a philosophy and principles. That it has t clicked together with us doesn’t mean it isn’t there. The biggest annoyance from me is the press. It is t sophisticated enough. Leaves us exposed and our forwards shagged. But Ange likes to play one way - which I respect as it keep things clear for players. Mid season he’s not going to change and this way of playing does work. The press was similar with Poch - whose results dropped off when he tried to evolve away from pressing all game.

As for pushing what is possible to the limit: isn’t that what makes all successful winning sports teams and individuals! Why wouldn’t you want that!?

It's Bielsa Mk2

- Tore up the championship with Leeds
- Surprised everyone in initial spell in PL
- Got found out and destroyed

His system has hit a ceiling, the specific issue is at this level, if you give up 4 high quality chances in a game, you get punished, at lower levels, teams may not take those chances. At lower level, fitness and being able to outrun teams can be a thing as well, at this level, teams will match you for physical intensity.

If you take a look back in Ange's career it lines up

- His system actually doesn't use player quality, it's all about outrun (our win/loss stats when the opponent runs more than us is crazy) the opposition, it's great when you are trying to make something out of an Australia (no offense, but a side with limited top level players), brick when a simple setup would allow better quality players to win the game for you (e.g. us vs. Leicester, Ipswich, Everton, Wolves, etc.)
- It also fails when the opposition is at a level where mistakes are punished at higher frequency, e.g. Celtic in Europe, Spurs in PL/Europe.

Here's what can't be fixed
- Go look at the Wolves games, how many times did they have 3v3 or 4v3 in game from one or two passes, your opposition should have to earn those chances, not get gifted them because your system opens you up
- How does his press/overloads allow us having better players count? answer it doesn't. Look at Pep/City, Pep has two basic tactics, one is similar to Ange, i.e. create overloads, numerical superiority in an area, but he also creates isolations, plays where he will put his player in a 1:1, and in that scenario he knows (most of the time), he has the better player.
- Game control, pick a time to press, pick a time not to, score a goal, ensure you don't concede in next 5 minutes, start a game, don't get caught out, have your senior players know (experience) they can slow the game down. they can sit back if the opposition has momentum.

Listen, everyone uses hyperbole today, no player in the PL is truly brick (levels above even players 2 leagues down, farless semi-pro or mortals), no manager is truly brick, but he's been found out at this level, and he hasn't been able to adapt (first part happens to everyone) and his results are the worse in Spurs history, and that is inexcusable.

Every excuse anyone could come up with for Ange works if we were sitting in 10th-12th, it simply doesn't fly at 14th-17th.
 
This can’t be the latest rationale for our league performances. There is 3m at stake for a league place. For us to continue losing in the league is costing the club significant money. West Ham and Wolves overtake us and that’s another 6m gone.

There is a real risk of us finishing 17th. That’s incomprehensible to me. We’re likely to finish bottom six for the first time ever in the Premier League. It’s not acceptable on any level that players don’t apply themselves because they’re saving themselves for Europe. That’s a dereliction of duty and an insult to match going fans.

I don’t buy it personally. I just think the whole thing has gotten to the stage where everyone knows the game is up and we’re sleepwalking to the worst possible season. The only reason I can see that we haven’t pulled the trigger is that we wanted to give him a fair crack at it and there is a clause in his contract that allows for instant dismissal without a pay out if we don’t make Europe. Nothing else makes a lick of sense to me.
It's not rationale, it's facts - he's been resting players with the Europa League in mind, or do you think that was anywhere near our strongest team? These sort of changes always affect teams, not just Spurs/Ange. That's not making excuses for the season at all, but we are where we are and it's pretty obvious what he's doing which was what many posters on here wanted him doing - saving players for Thursday. Which is fine, but you can't expect some sort of coherent performance in the league when doing that. He will be justified if he wins on Thursday, if not then obviously he will get vilified. All of what you mention above would be eradicated if we win the EL. Not saying that will happen, but that's what Ange has to bet on....
 
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