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The Chinese?
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The Chinese?
Mikey10
Christian Ziege
Yip. They’ve been less than impressive through this.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Legohamster
Les Medley
Im not sure we should even be in the position in which it could be reported incorrectly.
the research by the manufacturer says it needs to be 21 days, yet we are doing our own thing.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The comment is about using different vaccines for first dose and booster, not the gap between vaccines. The data has been published for having a longer gap. There are no perfect answers here, we are in a deep hole and the decision is being made in the hope of relieving pressure on the health service and slowing the spread.
Legohamster
Les Medley
the article is also about us not following the guidelines set about the second jab time frame.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The comment was about mix and match jabs.
They are following the guidelines for booster time frame, the guidelines are developed on a national basis. They are differing from the periods used in the trials. I'm not qualified to say whether it is the right decision or not but given the need to vaccinate as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, I can understand the reasoning. It's also worth remembering, that most of us will be getting the Oxford/AZ vaccine and there is evidence from its trials that a longer gap was beneficial.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I think pushing to vaccinate more folk with first dose and delaying the second one is a risk but not doing it is also a risk. The MHRA are qualified to make such a decision and I'm happy to get behind it.
Diamond Lights
Gudni Bergsson
it's gonna get real bad soon, just based on this virus transmissability. Can only see full lockdown inclusive of school closures.
We should be drafting the military in NOW to admister vaccinations round the clock (literally 24/7). There shouldn't be boxes of vials lying around, every one of them needs to be ready to go, we need a wartime effort on getting this going asap.
Based on the numbers we're seeing, there is absolutely zero chance of coming out of T4 any time soon. This new variant is too strong, only way out is mass vaccination.
We should be drafting the military in NOW to admister vaccinations round the clock (literally 24/7). There shouldn't be boxes of vials lying around, every one of them needs to be ready to go, we need a wartime effort on getting this going asap.
Based on the numbers we're seeing, there is absolutely zero chance of coming out of T4 any time soon. This new variant is too strong, only way out is mass vaccination.
Mikey10
Christian Ziege
We’re in this until Spring minimum. A fortnight ago I was thinking there was a shout of schools going back at the start of February. I fear it will be longer now. We have repeated the mistakes we made at the start of the pandemic.
Diamond Lights
Gudni Bergsson
totally, but we have been unlucky this new variant hit us. However, if you allow a virus to run rampant without decent controls then you run the risk of it mutating, so hardly surprising out of 196 countries on GHod's green earth, the mutation hits the UK hardest. It's not a coincidence.
Still at least a lot of Tory chums got rich(er).
Has it hit the UK the hardest or are we sequencing more and better?
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
When dentist Andy Bates offered to help administer the coronavirus vaccine, he hadn't bargained for the "overload of bureaucracy" he says came his way.
Dr Bates, from North Yorkshire, is one of a number of health staff to criticise the paperwork needed to gain NHS approval to give the jabs.
Some medics have been asked for proof they are trained in areas such as preventing radicalisation.
The NHS said training and checks were needed.
A spokesman for the NHS told the BBC: "Regardless of a person's background in healthcare, appropriate training and checks are necessary to handle the vaccine.
"[This] is why important processes are in place to make sure that former members of staff are up to speed on protocols and delivery, so that vaccinators are fully equipped with the skills to safely vaccinate patients in line with Public Health England standards."
Dr Bates, a 56-year-old dentist based in Skipton, says he was met with layers of "bureaucracy" when he applied to be an NHS vaccinator - a role that requires healthcare experience.
He told BBC Radio's 5 live programme: "I am a working dentist with a dental practice. I work four days a week which gives me a day off and the weekend, so I thought I could probably help out [with] explaining things to people, being able to use a needle, being able to relax people in an environment where you're giving them a jab.
"It's part and parcel of the job of being a dentist."
But he says he and two of his dental staff who also applied for roles have been asked to upload a "huge list of documents" and complete online modules proving they are trained in certain areas to progress their applications.
Dr Bates says: "Some of the things are really quite sensible - like resuscitation, and recognising and managing anaphylaxis - but then you get things like preventing radicalisation, level 1 certificate required [or] safeguarding children level 2."
"Children aren't a priority for vaccination, [so] I really don't think we're going to be seeing children."
"To be a registered dentist and CQC registered dental practice, which you have to be, these are things that we have to prove to the CQC and declaring to the General Dental Council (GDC) every year that we have done and kept up to date various trainings."
But he said separating all these skills out according to the website's requirements "would be really quite a task" given his other work commitments.
"I must admit, I gave up at the second hurdle, because I'm very busy as a dentist and I do get home quite tired at night. I thought 'good grief, If I have to go through all this', I'm not [doing it]."
Dr Bates believes that registered healthcare practitioners should be able to apply through their registration details, with a thorough identity check that would fast-track them through the necessary training.
It comes as batches of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have started arriving at hospitals. Some 530,000 doses of the jab will be available for rollout across the UK, with vulnerable groups already identified as the priority for immunisation.
The UK now hopes to accelerate its vaccination rollout, amid a rise in cases driven by a new variant of coronavirus, by giving both parts of the Oxford and Pfizer vaccines 12 weeks apart, having initially planned to leave 21 days between the Pfizer jabs.
The UK's chief medical officers have defended the Covid vaccination plan, after criticism from a doctors' union, insisting that getting more people vaccinated with the first jab "is much more preferable".
Prof Martin Marshall, chair of the Royal College of GPs, said recently retired medics and other healthcare professionals have "huge amounts of skill and experience" to offer the vaccine effort and called for "bureaucratic barriers" to be kept to "the bare minimum".
He added: "Requiring people to submit more than 20 pieces of documentation, some of which have low relevance to the task they will be doing, and some of which some retired medics and returners to the profession won't even have, is a deterrent for them getting involved at a time when we need all hands on deck."
An NHS spokesman added that "tens of thousands of people have already completed their online training" which "are being processed as quickly as possible and vaccinators will be deployed as and when they are required".
He added: "It is categorically untrue that there are any delays in Covid vaccination caused by accrediting volunteers or returners."
Dr Bates, from North Yorkshire, is one of a number of health staff to criticise the paperwork needed to gain NHS approval to give the jabs.
Some medics have been asked for proof they are trained in areas such as preventing radicalisation.
The NHS said training and checks were needed.
A spokesman for the NHS told the BBC: "Regardless of a person's background in healthcare, appropriate training and checks are necessary to handle the vaccine.
"[This] is why important processes are in place to make sure that former members of staff are up to speed on protocols and delivery, so that vaccinators are fully equipped with the skills to safely vaccinate patients in line with Public Health England standards."
Dr Bates, a 56-year-old dentist based in Skipton, says he was met with layers of "bureaucracy" when he applied to be an NHS vaccinator - a role that requires healthcare experience.
He told BBC Radio's 5 live programme: "I am a working dentist with a dental practice. I work four days a week which gives me a day off and the weekend, so I thought I could probably help out [with] explaining things to people, being able to use a needle, being able to relax people in an environment where you're giving them a jab.
"It's part and parcel of the job of being a dentist."
But he says he and two of his dental staff who also applied for roles have been asked to upload a "huge list of documents" and complete online modules proving they are trained in certain areas to progress their applications.
Dr Bates says: "Some of the things are really quite sensible - like resuscitation, and recognising and managing anaphylaxis - but then you get things like preventing radicalisation, level 1 certificate required [or] safeguarding children level 2."
"Children aren't a priority for vaccination, [so] I really don't think we're going to be seeing children."
"To be a registered dentist and CQC registered dental practice, which you have to be, these are things that we have to prove to the CQC and declaring to the General Dental Council (GDC) every year that we have done and kept up to date various trainings."
But he said separating all these skills out according to the website's requirements "would be really quite a task" given his other work commitments.
"I must admit, I gave up at the second hurdle, because I'm very busy as a dentist and I do get home quite tired at night. I thought 'good grief, If I have to go through all this', I'm not [doing it]."
Dr Bates believes that registered healthcare practitioners should be able to apply through their registration details, with a thorough identity check that would fast-track them through the necessary training.
It comes as batches of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have started arriving at hospitals. Some 530,000 doses of the jab will be available for rollout across the UK, with vulnerable groups already identified as the priority for immunisation.
The UK now hopes to accelerate its vaccination rollout, amid a rise in cases driven by a new variant of coronavirus, by giving both parts of the Oxford and Pfizer vaccines 12 weeks apart, having initially planned to leave 21 days between the Pfizer jabs.
The UK's chief medical officers have defended the Covid vaccination plan, after criticism from a doctors' union, insisting that getting more people vaccinated with the first jab "is much more preferable".
Prof Martin Marshall, chair of the Royal College of GPs, said recently retired medics and other healthcare professionals have "huge amounts of skill and experience" to offer the vaccine effort and called for "bureaucratic barriers" to be kept to "the bare minimum".
He added: "Requiring people to submit more than 20 pieces of documentation, some of which have low relevance to the task they will be doing, and some of which some retired medics and returners to the profession won't even have, is a deterrent for them getting involved at a time when we need all hands on deck."
An NHS spokesman added that "tens of thousands of people have already completed their online training" which "are being processed as quickly as possible and vaccinators will be deployed as and when they are required".
He added: "It is categorically untrue that there are any delays in Covid vaccination caused by accrediting volunteers or returners."
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Some of this is fudging stupid
The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator
Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1
The checklist to become an NHS vaccinator
Recognising and managing anaphylaxis
Resuscitation, level 2
Safeguarding adults, level 2
Safeguarding children, level 2
Vaccine administration
Vaccine storage
Health, Safety and Welfare, level 1
Infection Prevention and control, level 2
Introduction to Anaphylaxis
Legal aspects of vaccination
Moving and Handling, level 1
Preventing radicalisation, level 1
Conflict resolution, level 1
Core knowledge for Covid-19 vaccinators
Covid mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 (Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine)
Data security awareness, level 1
Equality, Diversity and Human rights, level 1
Fire safety, level 1
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I said in the predictions thread that things will be normal by May. Bar masks at indoor events and airports. Looking forward to it now.
Baleforce
Chris Waddle
I don't think so, we have come to those standards for a reason.
Just became something is urgent doesn't mean it should be rushed.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
I agree, the 3 I bolded are a joke
What's really a joke is that an organisation that can and has spent as much of our money as they have, doesn't have a central database of who has qualified for what.
Legohamster
Les Medley
I said June, I am moving more towards Aug now given we are already fudging it up