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Cristian Romero

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but the original post by Romero was actually “only show up when things are going well and tell a few lies” but the lies part he later deleted.

Sounds like a pop at Vinai and the Lewis’?
 
I'm trying to figure out just what it is he is complaining about. The owners and the board investing badly in players? If so, he's criticizing his team mates for being brick, clearly not very smart, and hopefully not what he is doing. Or, he is complaining about the hiring of Frank - which, although understandable, also isn't particularly smart.

Unless, of course, he's fishing for a January move, and I wouldn't blame him. And honestly, I wouldn't miss him either. He's a fantastic defender on his day, and a wonderful passer of the ball, but his dumb mistakes have just been increasing in numbers lately. If he's unhappy here, I don't see why we should force him to stay.

Beyond bad transfers and the hiring of Frank (and basically the promise of a better tomorrow), what could he be complaining about? Did someone do him a financial injustice? Was he promised something that hasn't been delivered when he was made captain last summer? If so, what could that be?
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but the original post by Romero was actually “only show up when things are going well and tell a few lies” but the lies part he later deleted.

Sounds like a pop at Vinai and the Lewis’?
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I assumed the "only show up when things are going well" was a reference to this from the parade

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Raziel said:
Yes but with limits

- Romero has passing ability, like VDV has carrying ability, hence any smart coach could figure out a way to create more space (by width/movement) to allow them to leverage that more.
- Romero is amazing stepping out and killing attacks, we play so much brick, why not try 3atb and having step out, kill attacks earlier (what he did in Italy)

And no defenders like being exposed, either in Ange's high line or Franks "let people take low percentage shots"
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I posted (originally) months back....I think the old CM dropping in when in possession, like Dier did for Poch, to make a 3 and push the CHs a bit wider and the FBs wider and up too, would suit this team massively.
Gives our CHs more license to get involved offensively (which as you note, both have skills to do so) whilst knowing they have an extra body to help if it goes wrong.
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ricky2tricky4city said:
I posted (originally) months back....I think the old CM dropping in when in possession, like Dier did for Poch, to make a 3 and push the CHs a bit wider and the FBs wider and up too, would suit this team massively.
Gives our CHs more license to get involved offensively (which as you note, both have skills to do so) whilst knowing they have an extra body to help if it goes wrong.
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A role perfect for Joao Palhinha IMO
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I posted (originally) months back....I think the old CM dropping in when in possession, like Dier did for Poch, to make a 3 and push the CHs a bit wider and the FBs wider and up too, would suit this team massively.
Gives our CHs more license to get involved offensively (which as you note, both have skills to do so) whilst knowing they have an extra body to help if it goes wrong.
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Bentancur was doing that last night..... It was very strange, it seemed that for much of the game we had Palhinha ahead of Bentancur on the pitch, even though Palhinha isn't a progressive passer of the ball and is also somebody that doesn't really ever try to make space for himself to receive a pass.
 
glorygloryeze said:
If he was generally blameless for goals conceded, that message might have some gravitas. But given his individual form, his stupid actions at times (see Liverpool game), the fact that he himself has had a new contract (has HE broken any promises, e.g.not getting silly cards/sendings-offs) , plus the club have recently i beleive been defending him on his FA Charge, he comes across as basically a bit thick.

Even thicker is the likes of Richarlison liking and adding comments: hey guy, how about you remember that it was YOU who wouldn't leave so that club can raise funds and upgrade YOU! If the club could upgrade any players it'd be YOU who'd be out the door FFS

Are we supposed to believe 'broken promises' is the reason some of these players can't pass a ball properly or control a ball effectively?

I'd want Frank to drop the main three who commented (plus maybe VDV) so that they can have a 'rest'. Maybe let them think things through before we play Frankfurt. Maybe they can practice their ball control and defensive header etc

We've got serious issues at this club and thick/entitled players seems to be a big part of it.
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Are we really criticising a player for being loyal and staying with his club? Not his fault he was given a contract, and no one can say Richy doesn’t try even with his limitations.

I also fail to see how performance on a pitch invalidates any comments around things not working behind the scenes. Maybe it’s the fans who think players should stay silent and let the issues roll on for another 10 years and another 10 managers is the issue.
 
demotw said:
Are we really criticising a player for being loyal and staying with his club? Not his fault he was given a contract, and no one can say Richy doesn’t try even with his limitations.

I also fail to see how performance on a pitch invalidates any comments around things not working behind the scenes. Maybe it’s the fans who think players should stay silent and let the issues roll on for another 10 years and another 10 managers is the issue.
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Does what he said absolve him from some of the poor displays he himself is prone to every now and then, or the silly tackles/red cards he often gets?
Do those things happen because of what the club hierarchy have not done even though they 'promised to do so'?

And about Richarlison: i love his effort but his touch and control for a forward at a club that believes it should be top 6 is woeful as is his often inability to stay on his feet. In fact, he should feel lucky we haven't brought other forwards to replace him.

I'm not one that is shy of criticising our owners but there are times and situations to do it. When you've poorly defended individually against the likes of Bournemouth isn't the best time
 
glorygloryeze said:
Does what he said absolve him from some of the poor displays he himself is prone to every now and then, or the silly tackles/red cards he often gets?
Do those things happen because of what the club hierarchy have not done even though they 'promised to do so'?

And about Richarlison: i love his effort but his touch and control for a forward at a club that believes it should be top 6 is woeful as is his often inability to stay on his feet. In fact, he should feel lucky we haven't brought other forwards to replace him.

I'm not one that is shy of criticising our owners but there are times and situations to do it. When you've poorly defended individually against the likes of Bournemouth isn't the best time
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Depends

- depends on if you were promised certain investments when you signed your extension
- depends on if you fail to win multiple games by 1 goal and the club happened to sell the guy who scored 17 goals last season and brought literally no one in to replace
- depends if you constantly see players being misused, you use the example of Richi, who in world football thinks it's a good idea to play him as a sole CF and punt the ball up to him 35 yards from goal with his back to opposition goal.
- depends if you and your fellow CB had to go have a talk with the manager last season because you were being constantly exposed by brick tactics (high line) and it is new season with brick tactics again (pot shots allowed from edge of box), and no one in the club hierarchy is doing anything (isn't that DoF duties?), does he and VDV have to talk to Frank as well?
 
Raziel said:
Depends

- depends on if you were promised certain investments when you signed your extension
- depends on if you fail to win multiple games by 1 goal and the club happened to sell the guy who scored 17 goals last season and brought literally no one in to replace
- depends if you constantly see players being misused, you use the example of Richi, who in world football thinks it's a good idea to play him as a sole CF and punt the ball up to him 35 yards from goal with his back to opposition goal.
- depends if you and your fellow CB had to go have a talk with the manager last season because you were being constantly exposed by brick tactics (high line) and it is new season with brick tactics again (pot shots allowed from edge of box), and no one in the club hierarchy is doing anything (isn't that DoF duties?), does he and VDV have to talk to Frank as well?
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Two can play that game though...did Frank or the club throw him under the bus when he ruined a potential comeback when the opposition were hanging on the ropes by stupidly kicking out at an opponent right in front of the referee? In fact didn't they back him in appealing his PL charge from that same game? Frank could have gone ballistic eh.

If the player showed very few flaws themselves then whilst i still wouldn't like the timing, i could sort of understand it to a point.
I'm not sure 'broken promises' can be used to justify not being able to control the ball or constantly misplacing passes etc.

If this was, say, Casimero, Sancho or Bruno Fernandes coming out with such an outburst, would you be as sympathetic to the player?
 
I was at the game last night and saw some fans confronting the players but couldn’t make out what was being said. I said to my mate who I went to the game with, if you’re a teenager or in your 20s and you want to vent then fair enough, but if you’re in your 40s or 50s and you’re shouting abuse at players young enough to be your son, you need to have a look at yourself. I’ve said many times that I’d bet a lot of these fans probably have no other outlet in their lives, no wives or girlfriends or any other interest, football is their life and they just can’t take it when things go south. The only teams I really can’t stand is losing to are Arsenal and Chelsea. Any other loss doesn’t really get to me that much anymore.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I posted (originally) months back....I think the old CM dropping in when in possession, like Dier did for Poch, to make a 3 and push the CHs a bit wider and the FBs wider and up too, would suit this team massively.
Gives our CHs more license to get involved offensively (which as you note, both have skills to do so) whilst knowing they have an extra body to help if it goes wrong.
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I've made similar points in the past. I think that would also suit some of our midfielders better. Palinha for example is a decent passer with a bit of space, but struggles under pressure, turning etc. While all our full backs are fairly comfortable receiving under pressure and a bit higher, more so than most of our deep central midfielders at least. And all are comfortable inverting into a midfield role.

We've seen it for brief spells including against Bournemouth. To me a bit surprising Bentancur the one dropping deeper when it happens. Out of him and Palhina I think Bentancur is the most press resistant receiving the ball in midfield, so Palhinha staying in midfield and Bentancur dropping deep to me seems a bit strange. We've seen Palhinha in one game as a CB and he was quite decent on the ball (more space, facing the right way, not having opponents all around him).

One of several tactical options I think could have been used more. But Frank sees it differently so maybe something I'll missing.
 
Palinha is a good tackler but would he be making so many tackles if his positioning was better? That'd raise questions to me over his suitability to dropping in to defense
 
billyiddo said:
Palinha is a good tackler but would he be making so many tackles if his positioning was better? That'd raise questions to me over his suitability to dropping in to defense
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I think he’s forced into playing as a safety as we make so many stupid turnovers up field.

If we want to have 3 at the back, use Danso in there, he’s a great defender, keep Palhinha where is already being effective.
 
billyiddo said:
I'd say you want your best tackling midfielder further forward than your defensive line during buildup to pounce on any turnovers
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You can't have everything. Having a midfielder drop into the back 3 allows your fbs to push on without leaving acres of space behind them.
It's exactly what Dier did in what was Pochs best team.
 
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