Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Lemonade Money]

I have no doubt that Levy loves Spurs but I also think that his personality and direct involvement is directly impacting these blunders. They happen too frequently for that not to be the case.

Please detail all his direct involvement you are aware of.
Frequently? Please name all the others.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Me? I'm going to join Change For Tottenham

Joking joking. We all know that ENIC have placed a ridiculously high valuation meaning that a sale is unlikely anytime soon. I don't know what the solution is, probably isn't one concerning what fans can do - but most people on here that want a change are rational about it and not just blindly screaming 'Just pay the fudging money Levy!' to every deal.

So for those that are happy with the status quo great, but I'm not seeing many arguments on what they are going to do to take that next step. Until something changes they are going to get the same criticism thrown at them, and after all these years I'd say that's fair...

It’s the football blame game
If things go right it’s the people we see… the manager, the players
If things go wrong … it’s rarely the players because they are idolised
It’s generally blame the manger or the chairman
There are so many people involved in clubs of our scale
We are fudging huge in this game
Yet everything can be localised and targeted to an individual as if fans know what’s really happening
And where do we get that info from?
Trailer trash social media and gutter level reporters in most cases
Weirdly it’s a world where you can’t keep anything secret anymore which I find rather odd for a multi multi £B industry.
This is not a defence for ENIC or levy or anyone. It’s just highlighting fans have a need or a desire to blame someone
It never used to exist when I started going regularly but then we didn’t have sky with 24/7 coverage
We didn’t have antisocial media
We didn’t have “ITKs” or people who anonymously post things and people just “believe them”
It’s a weird and very unhealthy world imo.
And back on ENIC I’ve not heard anyone say they are happy status quo. That’s the standard misdirection/misquote used by CFS. If your not comparing and non protesting your happy with them by default. Whereas in reality pigs of fans I believe are more like myself in that we can’t make them sell the club no matter what and as far as I can tell at least no one is buying the club so let’s deal with the band we have as fans and adjust our expectations maybe
Now I’m sure someone will jump in and talk ticket prices etc… that’s personal choice

 

[Lemonade Money]

FWIW I used to be someone that stuck up for this regime, until I realised I was defending them with the same excuses time after time and there was finally a eureka moment that there is only ever one constant in the persistent issues we have when looking to kick on. Levy has my utmost respect for what he's accomplished here, but whilst ENIC are here we are not going to push on. And this has very little to do with the Eze deal, it is just yet another example of the way we do things ultimately fudging us over....

The only persistent issues are cheating clubs. For the way Levy operates, you could do a lot lot worse. If you think we can get another owner who does what he does, but makes less mistakes, that ain't happening. The only option is to sell to arabs or yanks. Both will be part of a cartel with their main objective being sportswashing or bleeding us dry. Be careful what you wish for. The worse thing about all these entitled clams, is if they do end up hounding out Levy, the club will be fudged.

 

[harr1984]

It’s the football blame game
If things go right it’s the people we see… the manager, the players
If things go wrong … it’s rarely the players because they are idolised
It’s generally blame the manger or the chairman
There are so many people involved in clubs of our scale
We are fudging huge in this game
Yet everything can be localised and targeted to an individual as if fans know what’s really happening
And where do we get that info from?
Trailer trash social media and gutter level reporters in most cases
Weirdly it’s a world where you can’t keep anything secret anymore which I find rather odd for a multi multi £B industry.
This is not a defence for ENIC or levy or anyone. It’s just highlighting fans have a need or a desire to blame someone
It never used to exist when I started going regularly but then we didn’t have sky with 24/7 coverage
We didn’t have antisocial media
We didn’t have “ITKs” or people who anonymously post things and people just “believe them”
It’s a weird and very unhealthy world imo.
And back on ENIC I’ve not heard anyone say they are happy status quo. That’s the standard misdirection/misquote used by CFS. If your not comparing and non protesting your happy with them by default. Whereas in reality pigs of fans I believe are more like myself in that we can’t make them sell the club no matter what and as far as I can tell at least no one is buying the club so let’s deal with the band we have as fans and adjust our expectations maybe
Now I’m sure someone will jump in and talk ticket prices etc… that’s personal choice

Absolutely agree. But when I evaluate our owners, I'm looking at are they giving the manager the best tools available to succeed? Especially when they sack a manager who wins a major European trophy, when Levy talks about winning the league and whatever (I didn't take his comment seriously, which says it all).

It's all well and good saying we have signed some good players - of course we have, when we miss out on our first and second choice targets that doesn't mean there are no good players left in the pool. But with apparently such lofty expectations from the board they could and should be delivering more IMO if they had a little more ambition. But they don't and won't, there is no argument to be had there - it is what it is. And that's why many complain, there are plenty of realists out there who do it, not just the mindless SM types....

 

[Jurgen the German]

The only persistent issues are cheating clubs. For the way Levy operates, you could do a lot lot worse. If you think we can get another owner who does what he does, but makes less mistakes, that ain't happening. The only option is to sell to arabs or yanks. Both will be part of a cartel with their main objective being sportswashing or bleeding us dry. Be careful what you wish for. The worse thing about all these entitled clams, is if they do end up hounding out Levy, the club will be fudged.

Why are you so convinced we would be worse off with different owners? Arsenal aren’t owned by Arabs. Liverpool and Arsenal are owned by Americans, Chelsea too. But their owners spend money and back their managers. Probably a foreign concept to our fanbase.

 

[Mabspurs]

Please detail all his direct involvement you are aware of.
Frequently? Please name all the others.

Seriously mate???

Everytime other clubs talk about transfer negotiations with us, they never say Spurs; or Lange; or anyone else.... it's always Levy that they mention and often pinpoint as the stumbling block or hard negotiator. Which is his right... he is the chairman after all.

However, then, when things go t*ts up, he needs to accept responsibility and accountability

 

[tommysvr]

And for all the “be careful what you wish for” posters out there, just what exactly are you afraid of happening if we were to get different owners? Are they afraid we would do a Leeds and potentially get relegated? We weren’t a million miles away from that last season.

Wait, I thought that was all Ange's fault?

 

[metalgear]

He wants what's best for the club. Based on that statement are you suggesting Daniel is a liar & does get involved even though he says otherwise. He doesn't come across as a liar to me but I guess I could be wrong.

I do believe like you & me he cares deeply for the club & some of the crap thrown in his direction must hurt.

i don't deny he cares for the club...but aside from the fans, is levy the most unpopular CEO in the EPL? which club likes dealing with us and in many interviews, such as with Simon Jordan - Levy's name comes up quite a bit, seems to me his involved when the rubber hits the road.

On the other hand look at liverpool - no noise about their owners.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Absolutely agree. But when I evaluate our owners, I'm looking at are they giving the manager the best tools available to succeed? Especially when they sack a manager who wins a major European trophy, when Levy talks about winning the league and whatever (I didn't take his comment seriously, which says it all).

It's all well and good saying we have signed some good players - of course we have, when we miss out on our first and second choice targets that doesn't mean there are no good players left in the pool. But with apparently such lofty expectations from the board they could and should be delivering more IMO if they had a little more ambition. But they don't and won't, there is no argument to be had there - it is what it is. And that's why many complain, there are plenty of realists out there who do it, not just the mindless SM types....

But again… are they our first or second choice… they could be thirds or fourth choice
We don’t know
We know they were players we “admired” (using that clam romanos language.
And again ambition always has limitations. As I have had to repeat to my mates who always quite the Deloitte table (horrendous thing) turnover doesn’t mean anything. Cash flow and profit does. If we don’t have any money to spend it’s all irrelevant
The only facts are that we as a club spend what we earn
And ENIC won’t go unless they are brought out
That’s it
Everything else is conjecture, speculation, rumours, lies and make believe. There will always be some truths in some of it of course

 

[Bedfordspurs]

i don't deny he cares for the club...but aside from the fans, is levy the most unpopular CEO in the EPL? which club likes dealing with us and in many interviews, such as with Simon Jordan - Levy's name comes up quite a bit, seems to me his involved when the rubber hits the road.

On the other hand look at liverpool - no noise about their owners.

Think Saudi Sportswashing Machine fans may disagreed about that last part
I also think you only see and hear things with Tottenham glasses on so don’t pick up on other clubs “noise” in the same way

 

[Lemonade Money]

Seriously mate???

Everytime other clubs talk about transfer negotiations with us, they never say Spurs; or Lange; or anyone else.... it's always Levy that they mention and often pinpoint as the stumbling block or hard negotiator. Which is his right... he is the chairman after all.

However, then, when things go t*ts up, he needs to accept responsibility and accountability

Name the frequent fudge-ups, that are down to Levy personally fudging up.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Name the frequent fudge-ups, that are down to Levy personally fudging up.

That time he went camping in Narnia and forgot the tent.

 

[harr1984]

The only persistent issues are cheating clubs. For the way Levy operates, you could do a lot lot worse. If you think we can get another owner who does what he does, but makes less mistakes, that ain't happening. The only option is to sell to arabs or yanks. Both will be part of a cartel with their main objective being sportswashing or bleeding us dry. Be careful what you wish for. The worse thing about all these entitled clams, is if they do end up hounding out Levy, the club will be fudged.

I like Levy, we could absolutely do a lot worse. As for actual owners? Whilst accepting there is always a risk I think we could do better, and Levy would make sure any that came in were protecting the longevity of the club....

 

[glasgowspur]

Name the frequent fudge-ups, that are down to Levy personally fudging up.

Never, not once has he called me and offered me the coaching job, the position of DOF or the role of the chief scout.
Irresponsible negligence.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Wait, I thought that was all Ange's fault?

I’ve been a vocal critic of Levy for years. My criticism of Ange was the performance/results of the first team, the constant injuries and his handling of the tactical side of the game and also how he dealt with the media and the fans. I was actually very pro Ange until around March-April 2024 when we started to ship too many goals. The turning point for me was the Emirates Marketing Project game when he couldn’t leave well enough alone and lashed out fans for being conflicted about the outcome of the result which could have benefited Arsenal. The fact that he didn’t get that was baffling given his tenure at Celtic so he must get how rivalries work.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Seriously mate???

Everytime other clubs talk about transfer negotiations with us, they never say Spurs; or Lange; or anyone else.... it's always Levy that they mention and often pinpoint as the stumbling block or hard negotiator. Which is his right... he is the chairman after all.

However, then, when things go t*ts up, he needs to accept responsibility and accountability

Clubs don’t tend to talk about transfers with us
There have been 2 examples from memory … one was the Lyon chairman and the other was the chairman at Modrics club
Maybe my memory is fading but what are the other examples?
How does he accept responsibility though? We wouldn’t know as fans
Are we expecting public apologies?
What would work?

 

[Muttley]

Clubs don’t tend to talk about transfers with us
There have been 2 examples from memory … one was the Lyon chairman and the other was the chairman at Modrics club
Maybe my memory is fading but what are the other examples?
How does he accept responsibility though? We wouldn’t know as fans
Are we expecting public apologies?
What would work?

What you talk about is unwritten code that exists between clubs. Why would they talk about their opinions on someone they may have to deal with in the future? Doesn't mean they like dealing with the person or company. They are outcome driven and put all the other stuff to one side to focus on their goals. I think Aulas only spoke up in the first place because Levy was breaking other codes of doing business to be fair. That was endorsed fully by Lloris's book many years later. With the Modric one, wasn't it just through his book that we found out about Levy reneging on commitments made around the negotiation table? I don't recall RM speaking out but could be wrong.

Any way I look at this, I still believe that I support a club that others don't want to deal with. The smoke is around our club, not theirs.

 

[Mabspurs]

I am not expecting public apologies... it's his club and he is only accountable to the shareholders... However, as fans and in the absence of credible explanations, I guess it is within our right to look at these situations and criticise him for them...

 

[billyiddo]

But as Harr alluded to, certain posters don’t criticise the decisions at the time. After the fact they will say “I’ve criticised them in the past”. And it isn’t just transfers that people have issues with, it’s just very current as we are in the middle of a transfer window and we have missed out on numerous high profile targets. And for all the “be careful what you wish for” posters out there, just what exactly are you afraid of happening if we were to get different owners? Are they afraid we would do a Leeds and potentially get relegated? We weren’t a million miles away from that last season. I don’t know why people are so convinced we have the best ownership model in place now and there isn’t an owner out there who can improve us.

Because there's a lack of evidence usually.

Eze transfer as an example (or any transfer for that matter) - beyond knowing that we were in for him and that the deal hasn't happened there is no evidence to say why it has ended the way it has. Maybe we could have done x, y or z differently and maybe that would have seen the deal happen - maybe not, but it's all just guesswork. You can extrapolate that across pretty much the majority of complaints - 'here and now/there and then' evidence doesn't/rarely exists

 

[Jurgen the German]

Because there's a lack of evidence usually.

Eze transfer as an example (or any transfer for that matter) - beyond knowing that we were in for him and that the deal hasn't happened there is no evidence to say why it has ended the way it has. Maybe we could have done x, y or z differently and maybe that would have seen the deal happen - maybe not, but it's all just guesswork. You can extrapolate that across pretty much the majority of complaints - 'here and now/there and then' evidence doesn't/rarely exists

I agree that we don’t know all of the finer details and probably never will, and tbf I did highlight that in a previous post. We can only judge on the actual outcomes, football is a results business. And the end result is we failed to land another big target just weeks after missing out on MGW. I think someone highlighted that Saudi Sportswashing Machine managed to get a deal done with Forest’s fat, obnoxious owner for Elanga even though he seems like a difficult character in general.