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Lilbaz said:
Christianity doesn't believe that the bible is the word of GHod as islam believes the qaran is.
The pope is gods representative. Think saint augustine said something along the lines that the bible is just a guide and as new evidence comes to light we adapt. The church has been for centuries.
The qaran is by muslims to be the unaltered word of GHod. Supercedes any man made laws.

I wouldn't vote for either. Focus on this reality.
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This depends on the denomination, many do indeed believe the Bible is the word of GHod delivered to men and transcribed.

The point was you're painting everyone with a very sweeping brush. Just because he's a Muslim does mean not means you know his views on subjects like homosexuality. He's a westerner born and raised in England, his views will be filtered through that lens and as I said he's a gay rights supporter so your assumption was wrong and tbh it's rather ignorant to make that assumption based on someone's religion.
 
Bishop said:
This depends on the denomination, many do indeed believe the Bible is the word of GHod delivered to men and transcribed.

The point was you're painting everyone with a very sweeping brush. Just because he's a Muslim does mean not means you know his views on subjects like homosexuality. He's a westerner born and raised in England, his views will be filtered through that lens and as I said he's a gay rights supporter so your assumption was wrong and tbh it's rather ignorant to make that assumption based on someone's religion.
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Aren't fans painting Qataris with the same brush though? Don't want them buying spurs.

What is the difference?
 
glorygloryeze said:
No arguments from me on that. But we're talking about missing out on trophies and what then gets done afterwards to reduce those likelihoods...
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Well no, we were talking about if we had improved as a club and if everything they have done is a failure or success. There is no doubting in my mind that without being perfect, far from it actually, they have put us in a position of being in the business end of competitions more regular and positions to win things than before they joined the club
 
Lilbaz said:
Aren't fans painting Qataris with the same brush though? Don't want them buying spurs.

What is the difference?
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Oh I agree, I don't agree with the blanket negative views about Qatar. A lot of it comes from a western superiority mindset that I don't subscribe to but that is a whole other discussion
 
Lilbaz said:
Liverpool. Hicks and gillet missed a payment. This was during the financial crash. The banks needed money. So seized the club and sold it forcehat they were owed.
The new owners got it at a bargain price allowing them to invest.
They then struck gold selling coutinho and getting klopp as their manager.
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They spent the money wisely and backed a manager with pedigree.
Lilbaz said:
They spent the wisely. If you think they backed klopp then you have to think enic backed our managers as we spent more than them net on players.
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no not really. Klopp got players he wanted and not players brought for him. You can spend a whole load on speculative signings or back the manager and use the budget accordingly.

This whole we spend so much money … when do we buy top class players? We usually buy players with potential with a view to sell or players close to running down their contracts or a free.
 
Bishop said:
Oh I agree, I don't agree with the blanket negative views about Qatar. A lot of it comes from a western superiority mindset that I don't subscribe to but that is a whole other discussion
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As i was saying. I don't mind if we get owners that are qatari. Have a million feeder clubs and spend outrageous sums that destroys football.
I used to. Thought ffp might work. Really hoped it would.

Not anymore. I need TP for my bunghole.

Fans getting outraged though. Nah.
 
Lilbaz said:
It's just our fans are hypocritical. Slate Qatar for their view on homosexuality then vote for khan to be mayor.

As you say though. For another thread.
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The two are not the same though, you can practice a religion whilst having a modernist view on what is right and wrong. But as homosexuality is banned in a proactive way by the government in Qatar, where as its not here in a Christian country (despite it being frowned on in the bible) then it comes down to a simple choice of bigotry and leaves no doubt what they think as human beings. Its 2025 not 225

Regardless of that, there is also another issues that come into play by being owned by a country that come into play and is a situation I don't think any club let alone ours should be exposed to.
 
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Lilbaz said:
It's just our fans are hypocritical. Slate Qatar for their view on homosexuality then vote for khan to be mayor.

As you say though. For another thread.
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Do you know much about Khan? In what way is he in anyway like the Qataris who are linked to buying us or other clubs?
 
glorygloryeze said:
I totally understand why Arsenal were wiling to buy a player like Rice. It was the same reason they were prepared to buy Jesus and Zinchenko when they missed out on CL to us: ambition.
Also, it's not like Rice was the only player they bought that summer too.
If we, somehow, make CL this summer, there is no reason for us to not show ambition. We have indeed got positions to upgrade, but as you say "we now have the money from the new stadium" and we can surely use it. Especially if we also have CL.
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What would you class as showing ambition this summer with CL football secured?
 
Grays_1890 said:
The two are not the same though, you can practice a religion whilst having a modernist view on what is right and wrong. But as homosexuality is banned in a proactive way by the government in Qatar, where as its not here in a Christian country (despite it being frowned on in the bible) then it comes down to a simple choice of bigotry and leaves no doubt what they think as human beings. Its 2025 not 225

Regardless of that, there is also another issues that come into play by being owned by a country that come into play and is a situation I don't think any club let alone ours should be exposed to.
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Qatar is a majority muslim country. We're not there yet.
 
harr1984 said:
That's fair and I will always credit Levy and co for giving us the platform to become bigger than we were and to some extent compete with the big boys. But it is the last part you refer to that I would remain sceptical about - the getting in top class ready made players. When have we ever done that? Some good PL proven players yes, but the top class players require the top wages to boot and I have not seen us stretch ourselves to do that and IMO this is what has prevented us from kicking on in the past. If the board are prepared to go that extra mile and supplement the clearly talented youngsters we have with a couple of top class players then it would make a huge difference to the team, and show that there is real intent at the club. But until they do, I think it is understandable for people to be sceptical as they have not shown such actions in all their years here....
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I can understand scepticism - we are afterall talking about something that we have not actually done before tbf so I get that, my position is simply that we have never had all our ducks in a row on the pitch WITH the finances in place in order to spend on those sorts of players or do whatever it is needed to push us over. Yes we have under Redknapp & Poch had the first part nailed down, theoretically, but we didn't have the strength off the pitch, could we have done things differently despite that? Of course, any guarantee that things would have worked out better? No...
Since we've had the money & strength off the pitch in place we have simply not been close to Poch/Redknapp levels, either in terms of manager performance/stability or first team quality. We know what we are capable of spending, in a roundabout way, so do people think that if we were to get to those on the pitch levels again we would just leave money on the table rather than improving with more expensive players because of
.... reasons? I don't see it
 
billyiddo said:
What would you class as showing ambition this summer with CL football secured?
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Buying a striker like Isak.
Buying a left-back to really push Udogie (apart from Ange's poor coaching he often seems lackadaisical and knowing he has competition might make him become a lot more focused imo), someone like Robinson of Fulham.
Buying a bonafide number 6. Someone like Atlanta's Ederson.
Buying a left centre back to compete/rotate with MVDV.
Keeping/Buying Tel as Son replacement
 
glorygloryeze said:
Buying a striker like Isak.
Buying a left-back to really push Udogie (apart from Ange's poor coaching he often seems lackadaisical and knowing he has competition might make him become a lot more focused imo), someone like Robinson of Fulham.
Buying a bonafide number 6. Someone like Atlanta's Ederson.
Buying a left centre back to compete/rotate with MVDV.
Keeping/Buying Tel as Son replacement
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Isak from Saudi Sportswashing Machine or before he went to Saudi Sportswashing Machine?

Assuming the latter then those sorts of transfers are well within our capabilities and actually fall in line with the type of transfers we've been making the last few seasons
 
billyiddo said:
Isak from Saudi Sportswashing Machine or before he went to Saudi Sportswashing Machine?

Assuming the latter then those sorts of transfers are well within our capabilities and actually fall in line with the type of transfers we've been making the last few seasons
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If we have the money we claim, then it doesn't matter oif it's Isak pre Saudi Sportswashing Machine or now.

The point is if we are ambitious we'd be able to get such a player from admittedly a rival club, using our London cache and, of course, wages.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine are not Liverpool or Emirates Marketing Project...yet...
 
glorygloryeze said:
If we have the money we claim, then it doesn't matter oif it's Isak pre Saudi Sportswashing Machine or now.

The point is if we are ambitious we'd be able to get such a player from admittedly a rival club, using our London cache and, of course, wages.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine are not Liverpool or Emirates Marketing Project...yet...
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If you think it's realistic for us or anyone to go to Saudi and to prise away the jewel in their crown then you are living in cloud cuckoo land mate.
 
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