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braineclipse said:
I agree he's not a top level player/striker.

Top level strikers move for way more than Richarlison unless there are contract issues or other issues going on.

We probably did overpay a bit, but not by a massive amount imo. That's close to the going rate for a good, not top level high level proven striker. Which kind of returns to a repeating point here. Come on Levy back the manager, just pay what it takes to get the player the manager wants and needs.
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I sometimes find it difficult to figure out if we overpaid for him. Gut feel says yes we did by about £15 million.

But then I think how much would a striker at his peak with not contract issues that would get you 20 goals a season cost? £125-150m? Therefore what about one that would get you 15 goals a season?

I think Richi is probably a 12-15 goals a season striker so we weren’t too far off. Having said that I wouldn’t have paid more than £45 for him lol
 
RunTMC said:
I sometimes find it difficult to figure out if we overpaid for him. Gut feel says yes we did by about £15 million.

But then I think how much would a striker at his peak with not contract issues that would get you 20 goals a season cost? £125-150m? Therefore what about one that would get you 15 goals a season?

I think Richi is probably a 12-15 goals a season striker so we weren’t too far off. Having said that I wouldn’t have paid more than £45 for him lol
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A fit richy is a 1 in 2 striker
He doesn’t ever mean he to stay fit
That’s the killer now
He is physically unreliable
Then add in his lack of versatility as a type of striker and you have some issues
But the fee was the fee needed for them to sell him
 
Bedfordspurs said:
A fit richy is a 1 in 2 striker
He doesn’t ever mean he to stay fit
That’s the killer now
He is physically unreliable
Then add in his lack of versatility as a type of striker and you have some issues
But the fee was the fee needed for them to sell him
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He was 1 in 2 for an about a 15 game stretch one season. He’s not a 1 in 2 striker over the length of his career.
 
We probably paid a little too much for Richi BUT realistically you can't even cast judgement on the price, his worth, his ability as the whole thing has been blighted and disrupted by injuries.

Of course, an assessment of his capability to stay fit should be made before signing on the dotted line (id assume it was?) and he did have that run of games (around when he scored a great goal at Goodison) where he showed he could really be effective and a player.

But the fitness issues overrides everything including, imo, the need to move him on. It not just curtails his desire to show the player he is BUT hinders any forward planning a manager is required to do week to week.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
We probably paid a little too much for Richi BUT realistically you can't even cast judgement on the price, his worth, his ability as the whole thing has been blighted and disrupted by injuries.

Of course, an assessment of his capability to stay fit should be made before signing on the dotted line (id assume it was?) and he did have that run of games (around when he scored a great goal at Goodison) where he showed he could really be effective and a player.

But the fitness issues overrides everything including, imo, the need to move him on. It not just curtails his desire to show the player he is BUT hinders any forward planning a manager is required to do week to week.
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Erm no, I can asses his abilities because I watched this guy for both Everton and Watford. This is what I mean, why do I need to wait for him to come to Spurs to form an opinion of him when I already have one borne out of at least 30+ 90m games. I was paying attention to him because at the earlier stage of his career I thought he had some potential, turns out not to be the case.

Again this one where people speak of injuries. His injury record has kept him in better stead than if he had actually been for for significant periods because believe me if he had played 90+ games over the last 3 years your opinion of him would be very different.
 
He had that purple patch at the end of the season before we bought him, when his goals basically kept Everton up, but outside of that ...
Seems a likeable guy, but I always doubted his quality and I nearly spat my tea when I saw what we paid for him. He's never been a finisher.
 
Bishop said:
Again this one where people speak of injuries. His injury record has kept him in better stead than if he had actually been for for significant periods because believe me if he had played 90+ games over the last 3 years your opinion of him would be very different.
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Erm no, (sorry to plagiarise:))...he hasn't played 90+ games so I wouldn't be able to form that opinion. Thanks for telling me what opinion I would form on something that hasn't even happened :)

He definitely looked to be a talent at Watford. Then went to a brick club.
So I'd give any player a bit of time to prove themselves at another club given their situation changes.

As I said, the thing he has most proven is he is injury prone...that's enough to move him on.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Erm no, (sorry to plagiarise:))...he hasn't played 90+ games so I wouldn't be able to form that opinion. Thanks for telling me what opinion I would form on something that hasn't even happened :)

He definitely looked to be a talent at Watford. Then went to a brick club.
So I'd give any player a bit of time to prove themselves at another club given their situation changes.

As I said, the thing he has most proven is he is injury prone...that's enough to move him on.
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The injuries are exactly why to sell him
 
I think I'd rather my club takes chances and risk paying over the odds versus being penny wise, pound foolish.

Even if I feel like the ceilings of Solanke and Richi aren't quite where we need them to be, I do think they are fantastic professionals. Sometimes fans don't feel that part as much as the more visible on-pitch skills.

I'm also noticing that Spurs are able to both get this level of player in without it impacting their ability to speculate on U21 strikers as well. That's quite a healthy position to be in.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
A fit richy is a 1 in 2 striker
He doesn’t ever mean he to stay fit
That’s the killer now
He is physically unreliable
Then add in his lack of versatility as a type of striker and you have some issues
But the fee was the fee needed for them to sell him
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don't forget mental issues. not his fault, but will surely affect his performance and the team's.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Of course
And we as a club and fans accept that
But it doesn’t help the team when they need him and he can’t play (probably makes his issues worse)
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Why accept mental health but criticise his physical fitness?
If he's not up to the job he's not up to the job. Hope he fully recovers but get in a replacement.
 
Lilbaz said:
Why accept mental health but criticise his physical fitness?
If he's not up to the job he's not up to the job. Hope he fully recovers but get in a replacement.
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Because the two although can be linked aren’t a sign of the same thing
We don’t know about his mental health other than very small snippets
We do know when he is injured
The two may well be linked of course
I want a replacement because he isn’t reliable and it’s cut throat, especially when these guys are getting paid obscene money
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Because the two although can be linked aren’t a sign of the same thing
We don’t know about his mental health other than very small snippets
We do know when he is injured
The two may well be linked of course
I want a replacement because he isn’t reliable and it’s cut throat, especially when these guys are getting paid obscene money
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You're happy to criticise for his physical fitness effecting his ability to perform on the pitch, saying we should get rid.
Mental health though? Fans should accept that. BS.
Don't shy away from it. If a player isn't physically or mentally up to it. Get rid. Point them in the way of someone who can help and move on.
 
Muttley said:
I think I'd rather my club takes chances and risk paying over the odds versus being penny wise, pound foolish.

Even if I feel like the ceilings of Solanke and Richi aren't quite where we need them to be, I do think they are fantastic professionals. Sometimes fans don't feel that part as much as the more visible on-pitch skills.

I'm also noticing that Spurs are able to both get this level of player in without it impacting their ability to speculate on U21 strikers as well. That's quite a healthy position to be in.
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Take a chance, risk paying over the odds sometimes imo. But the majority of the time value for money matters greatly. As does opportunity cost, who else could we have signed for that money.

Building a squad with great professionals matters a great deal too. I think there can be a real synergy if you have a squad with good to great professionalism and mentality. It's definitely not worth the risk to pay over the top if the player in question has real question marks over their professionalism or mentality.

We may have paid somewhat over the top for Solanke, but just imagine us signing a proper flop of a striker last summer for a significant outlay.

I do also think it's reasonably likely that a year from now it will no longer be seen as paying over the top for him.
 
Lilbaz said:
You're happy to criticise for his physical fitness effecting his ability to perform on the pitch, saying we should get rid.
Mental health though? Fans should accept that. BS.
Don't shy away from it. If a player isn't physically or mentally up to it. Get rid. Point them in the way of someone who can help and move on.
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I don't think anyone deserves harsh criticism at least for things that are outside of their control. Be it physical or mental.

On the physical side imo we don't know. Has he not done a good enough job taking care of his physical fitness, or is it just the way it goes sometimes at elite athlete levels.

I agree that if a player isn't mentally up for it over time then at some point the club needs to just move on. That's not the case with Richarlison from what I understand (from the outside). He had a period where he struggled mentally, got through it. His mentality seems like one of his strong positive attributes. He very much seems up to it mentally. Can his body keep up, not so sure.
 
braineclipse said:
Take a chance, risk paying over the odds sometimes imo. But the majority of the time value for money matters greatly. As does opportunity cost, who else could we have signed for that money.

Building a squad with great professionals matters a great deal too. I think there can be a real synergy if you have a squad with good to great professionalism and mentality. It's definitely not worth the risk to pay over the top if the player in question has real question marks over their professionalism or mentality.

We may have paid somewhat over the top for Solanke, but just imagine us signing a proper flop of a striker last summer for a significant outlay.

I do also think it's reasonably likely that a year from now it will no longer be seen as paying over the top for him.
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I guess you have to calculate Solanke's "going rate" based on the length of contract he had at Bournemouth plus him being a peak years homegrown striker. You always pay more for strikers and you definitely pay more for homegrown. Then you consider that his published salary is £90k per week which as an uplift from Bournemouth but not anywhere near Kane / Sonny levels.

I can imagine the total package of transfer fee, signing on fees, agent fees plus salary over his contract life was actually very reasonable. When you look at the transfer fee in isolation, it doesn't really paint the holistic picture.

You could even argue that Solanke was a bargain for what we got. We've also seemed to have acquired a manager who seems to get the best out of these attacking players. Ange needed him to be a hard working, mostly back to goal, link up number 9. Frank will find his own blend of what attributes he needs and I bet Solanke has them.
 
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