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Jurgen the German said:
2 trophies in 20 years is not incredible success by any yardstick.
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It isn't for us, but lets be clear

- Any club that isn't Scum, United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool would gladly swap our last 20 years for theirs (Villa, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, anyone bar the top 5), two trophies, a CL final, in top 3 of PL, consistent European competition participation, PL golden boot winners.
 
Raziel said:
It isn't for us, but lets be clear

- Any club that isn't Scum, United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool would gladly swap our last 20 years for theirs (Villa, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, anyone bar the top 5), two trophies, a CL final, in top 3 of PL, consistent European competition participation, PL golden boot winners.
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I wouldn’t swap our last 30 years for any of those non-big 6 clubs you mentioned but that’s still not “incredible success”, it’s not even close. Success is silverware, that list of achievements is all fine but none of it is actual silverware other than the golden boots which is a tangible physical piece of hardware.
 
Eriktheviking said:
Why would any of those identified come to the shower of brick that is Spurs?

As Vinai said in the summer when appointing TF:

“We ran a really, really thorough process at speed,” says Tottenham CEO Vinai Venkatesham. “We defined 10 characteristics that we think are important to be a successful manager at Tottenham Hotspur. We analysed in real detail through our technical staff led by Johan Lange more than 30 candidates."
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Lange has 30 mates?
 
Raziel said:
It isn't for us, but lets be clear

- Any club that isn't Scum, United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool would gladly swap our last 20 years for theirs (Villa, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, anyone bar the top 5), two trophies, a CL final, in top 3 of PL, consistent European competition participation, PL golden boot winners.
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Leicester wouldn't.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I wouldn’t swap our last 30 years for any of those non-big 6 clubs you mentioned but that’s still not “incredible success”, it’s not even close. Success is silverware, that list of achievements is all fine but none of it is actual silverware other than the golden boots which is a tangible physical piece of hardware.
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And they are individual awards for players. What sort of barrell scraping nonsense are we reading here. 🤣

Next he's going to harp on about a golden gloves award.

Qualifying for the CL Final is nice but in the grand scheme means fudge all if you don't win it and you don't qualify for it regularly or even get to quarter finals again. It's just a one off that you didn't even take advantage of.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I wouldn’t swap our last 30 years for any of those non-big 6 clubs you mentioned but that’s still not “incredible success”, it’s not even close. Success is silverware, that list of achievements is all fine but none of it is actual silverware other than the golden boots which is a tangible physical piece of hardware.
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I said it wasn't incredible success, but it wasn't a disaster, the disaster is not building on it.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
If you offered 60% of the clubs in the PL, maybe more, the title and an FA Cup win then relegation, they would all say yes..............I would back that horse with my own money
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That wasn't the offer, the offer was

- Spurs last 20 years, so CC, and EL cup, CL runner up, PL top 3, 16 odd European appearances, permanent PL presence for Leicester's 20 years including their FA & PL wins
- It goes back to the point and the struggle of where we are as a club -> compared to anyone but top 5 clubs, success that most/all would swap in a heartbeat, yet not success compared to any of those top 5 (two of which have been subject to obscene money doping).

I don't think someone would really make that trade

billyiddo said:
Leicester absoloutely wouldn't - it's an achievement they'd likely not repeat in another 100 years, indeterminate spell in the Championship or not
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Then that says exactly the difference between us and them, one club quite happy to be a trivia question for next 50 years, one as badly as it may fail, attempting to be something more.
 
Raziel said:
That wasn't the offer, the offer was

- Spurs last 20 years, so CC, and EL cup, CL runner up, PL top 3, 16 odd European appearances, permanent PL presence for Leicester's 20 years including their FA & PL wins
- It goes back to the point and the struggle of where we are as a club -> compared to anyone but top 5 clubs, success that most/all would swap in a heartbeat, yet not success compared to any of those top 5 (two of which have been subject to obscene money doping).

I don't think someone would really make that trade



Then that says exactly the difference between us and them, one club quite happy to be a trivia question for next 50 years, one as badly as it may fail, attempting to be something more.
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Attempting to be something more is great but you have to eventually get there and achieve something at a certain point. Can’t just be perpetually trying and then also claim we’ve been more successful than clubs who have actually got over the line and won major honours like league titles.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Attempting to be something more is great but you have to eventually get there and achieve something at a certain point. Can’t just be perpetually trying and then also claim we’ve been more successful than clubs who have actually got over the line and won major honours like league titles.
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No disagreement, but there is a difference between sustained success and flash in the pan.
 
Raziel said:
That wasn't the offer, the offer was

- Spurs last 20 years, so CC, and EL cup, CL runner up, PL top 3, 16 odd European appearances, permanent PL presence for Leicester's 20 years including their FA & PL wins
- It goes back to the point and the struggle of where we are as a club -> compared to anyone but top 5 clubs, success that most/all would swap in a heartbeat, yet not success compared to any of those top 5 (two of which have been subject to obscene money doping).

I don't think someone would really make that trade



Then that says exactly the difference between us and them, one club quite happy to be a trivia question for next 50 years, one as badly as it may fail, attempting to be something more.
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I bet they do, I 100% make that trade, here right now in blood
 
Raziel said:
good for them, they can sing about it in the lower leagues for next 20 years.
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I'm sure they do and good luck to them

Just based on that trade off doesn't mean that after relegation our futures would have to be the same. I would back a club our size with our financial position to be able to eventually climb back up to the "pre last 20 years" of the glory days, still with our 8 FA Cups, the other league wins, the European nights and do so with another championship under tour belts.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Depends what you define as “success” though. CL qualifications and individual accolades like golden boots aren’t comparable to league titles, FA cups etc.
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And what we have achieved before the last 20 years and what we could achieve even after relegation means it would not be a flash for Spurs which means its a decent trade off. For Leics they take the flash. Either way the clubs win
 
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