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I liked Erik Lamela before it was cool
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glasgowspur
Luka Modric
No what we need to do is play him with someone in front of him giving him options. Playing him with Dier and Ade is pointless. And Kane or Soldado seem to be dropping deep all the time causes different problems.
At the moment he and Eriksen are to easily taken out of the game because of whats around them. The forward CM is coming to far forward congesting the middle, the CF is dropping to deep causing more congestion or wide getting in the fbs or wide players way and there isn't anyone in a central area up top.
To me Lamella,eriksen and Townsend are having the same problems, no support in the proper places. When either of them gets the ball the nearest player to them stands or runs behind the defender squaring up to the ball. The defender then knows he had to be beaten because there is no forward pass or fb overlapping. Easy.
I don't think our squad, players or coach are as bad as a lot in here seem to, but I do look at it wonder why some really simple things can't be sorted.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk
At the moment he and Eriksen are to easily taken out of the game because of whats around them. The forward CM is coming to far forward congesting the middle, the CF is dropping to deep causing more congestion or wide getting in the fbs or wide players way and there isn't anyone in a central area up top.
To me Lamella,eriksen and Townsend are having the same problems, no support in the proper places. When either of them gets the ball the nearest player to them stands or runs behind the defender squaring up to the ball. The defender then knows he had to be beaten because there is no forward pass or fb overlapping. Easy.
I don't think our squad, players or coach are as bad as a lot in here seem to, but I do look at it wonder why some really simple things can't be sorted.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk
What? Maybe because totti was and maybe still world class..... Soldado isn't even good enough to start consistently for us, never mind try and play a certain role
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
This kid is a total waste of space. There I've finally said it!
Totally and completely out of his depth; the supposed mercurial dribbler couldn't get past a single Stoke player today and the only player he bamboozled was himself.
I don't expect a Bale-esque show but something - anything - to show he could be half-decent. I'm fed up of people saying: give him time. He has had time and instead of gradually improving he is consistently worse than the likes of Adebayor...
Totally and completely out of his depth; the supposed mercurial dribbler couldn't get past a single Stoke player today and the only player he bamboozled was himself.
I don't expect a Bale-esque show but something - anything - to show he could be half-decent. I'm fed up of people saying: give him time. He has had time and instead of gradually improving he is consistently worse than the likes of Adebayor...
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Worse than Ade! Ade who was warming up before half time 30 mins later still had to stop to change boots!!!!!!
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Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk
I think most fans agree somewhat, but the fact is we are Tottenham, not City, not Chelsea, we can't afford to just offload a 30m investment as it just didn't work out. We just can't have another Bentley and say oh well let's try again. I think that is behind most fans patience with him, the idea that it won't work out can't be accepted. It is certainly behind mine.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I thought that he struggled to adapt to the game today but that he managed to show a good few touches. His free kick was well taken and took an excellent save from Begovic to stop Lamela's first goal for the club. I think he needs better movement of the other players. One of two big things missing at the club; pressing & movement. Succeed in those two and we'd be moving in the right direction
Amazing that after the shower of **** we saw today, you pick out Lamela — one of our only attacking players who demanded the ball and at least tried to create chances. At least when he came on, we started creating some chances to score and he nearly scored a cracker. Embarrassing.
There was one time he went on a bit of a run, attempted to pass the ball to Dembele and it was just....jesus, £30m! He's a trier, but f**kin hell.
I happen to think using him from the bench is the right strategy for now, it'd just be nice if we were able to do it whilst in a winning position.
I happen to think using him from the bench is the right strategy for now, it'd just be nice if we were able to do it whilst in a winning position.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
I've long been of the opinion that Lamela won't cut it in our team, or in the Premier (although I had hoped he might prove me wrong).
But I don't think it is entirely Lamela's fault. The way he plays doesn't suit the way that we are set up, or our tactics -in so far as we have tactics - or the Premiership.
I have seen him make a few runs off the ball where he wanted a one two and just didn't get the return because the other player either didn't anticipate the run, or have the ability to return the ball. And given more space, and therefore more time on the ball he has the skill to be dangerous. But we don't really have the players to play the quick one twos, other than Soldado and Eriksen -and Poch appears to see all three as competitors for the same central spot. And he won't get the time he wants on the ball in that area of the pitch in this division. Maybe from deeper - he needs to run at opponents - but I can't see how he could be accommodated there.
But I don't think it is entirely Lamela's fault. The way he plays doesn't suit the way that we are set up, or our tactics -in so far as we have tactics - or the Premiership.
I have seen him make a few runs off the ball where he wanted a one two and just didn't get the return because the other player either didn't anticipate the run, or have the ability to return the ball. And given more space, and therefore more time on the ball he has the skill to be dangerous. But we don't really have the players to play the quick one twos, other than Soldado and Eriksen -and Poch appears to see all three as competitors for the same central spot. And he won't get the time he wants on the ball in that area of the pitch in this division. Maybe from deeper - he needs to run at opponents - but I can't see how he could be accommodated there.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Your right. He takes too many touches so I have no idea where this idea he made himself available for a one two from because he would need 7 touches
Ill say it 100 times about Lamella he has all the tools but no idea how to use them
He works hard then granted but he has zero impact on games
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
You do know right back now will be Dier for the next 3 games... He doesn't provide any width unfortunately
King of Norway
Gudni Bergsson
Naughton will only get one game.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
3 as it's his second sending off
So nobody cares that he has more Premier League assists than all of our other attacking players combined? Nobody cares that he makes more key passes, successful dribbles, puts in more crosses, or is fouled more than any of our players on average in the Prem? Yes, he gets dispossessed the most, but you know who else does? Every good attacking player in the Prem. Most on Chelsea? Costa (2.9 per match, same as Lamela) and Hazard. On Emirates Marketing Project? Sergio Aguero (2.9) and David Silva. Sturridge and Sterling?
If we had other players who deserved to be starting over Lamela, that would be one thing. I'm not saying he's brilliant (or even decent, at times), but he's one of the best we have at the minute. Fact it, Townsend, Lennon, Eriksen, and whoever else simply don't deserve to picked ahead of him at this point. Even if you forget the price tag, the age, or the fact that he's still adapting, Erik Lamela deserves to be in the team on form and work-rate. Having him out there gives us the best chance to win football matches, at this moment in time. He hasn't been great, but he's been one of the best of a bad bunch, and he deserves to play.
To those who disagree, please enlighten me on who you think should be in the team ahead of him. For me, I think our best attacking unit right now looks like this. I'm not particularly excited about it, but it's who I'd play.
--------Soldado--------
Lamela--Kane--Chadli
If we had other players who deserved to be starting over Lamela, that would be one thing. I'm not saying he's brilliant (or even decent, at times), but he's one of the best we have at the minute. Fact it, Townsend, Lennon, Eriksen, and whoever else simply don't deserve to picked ahead of him at this point. Even if you forget the price tag, the age, or the fact that he's still adapting, Erik Lamela deserves to be in the team on form and work-rate. Having him out there gives us the best chance to win football matches, at this moment in time. He hasn't been great, but he's been one of the best of a bad bunch, and he deserves to play.
To those who disagree, please enlighten me on who you think should be in the team ahead of him. For me, I think our best attacking unit right now looks like this. I'm not particularly excited about it, but it's who I'd play.
--------Soldado--------
Lamela--Kane--Chadli
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Maybe Lamela has not been convincing for us yet. But he still has 4 assists for us in the league, which is more than any Spurs player, including Eriksen. And only 5 players have more assists than Lamela in the whole league : Fabregas(9), Sigurdsson(7), Tadic(6), Baines(6) and Maria(5).
I think Lamela can be a very usefull player for us if he is given more time.
I think Lamela can be a very usefull player for us if he is given more time.
He had one good free kick effort.
He is meant to be a winger/dribbler, right? So why can't he actually go past a man? Instead, he drags the ball backwards before losing it. Have you counted how many times he actually gives the ball away?
If Lennon did that he would be castrated. Does he know how to track and help defend? No.
He cost £25m, I can find players who understand team play better than him on Hackney Marshes or Regents Park.
I said on COYS, after watching him live in 1.5 games he wasn't good enough and people thought, understandably, I was hasty, but 2 years later I have not changed my mind.
We should, of course, be laying some blame on the people who scouted him, but Poch and him need to do more. Playing him on left side might help.
Note Rose cross from left with left foot, Chadli shot from right with right foot result: goal.
Similarly Townsend to Kane mid week, so why was Townsend deployed on right today?
It seems like Levy, Poch doesn't learn from his mistakes.
I haven't, but WhoScored has. He loses it 2.9 times per match, same as Diego Costa and Sergio Aguero and less than Daniel Sturridge. He also has as many assists in nine games this season, as Aaron Lennon has in the last two seasons, but that doesn't really matter, right?