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Pat van den Hauwe
The problem was he replaced VDV who he wasn't a patch on.
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Jose Mourinho - SACKED
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The problem was he replaced VDV who he wasn't a patch on.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Yeah but then he was never gonna be as good
He went before or after
Just to butt in on the Son chat I'm sure i remember talk from his camp saying we were interested and made an offer at the time he moved Bayer but they decided it was best for his career that he stayed in Germany rather than uproot again at that age.
Side note: wonder if a few other youngsters who who had come to Europe early and then quickly moved to a different country would have benefitted to staying put a couple more years? Sanchez for starters, 1 year in The Netherlands then straight to the UK
Side note: wonder if a few other youngsters who who had come to Europe early and then quickly moved to a different country would have benefitted to staying put a couple more years? Sanchez for starters, 1 year in The Netherlands then straight to the UK
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Sanchez is a good counter to all the talk of Levy dithering and missing out. We went for him after one good season and paid over the odds.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Or maybe joining us but staying put
There are so many ways to allow time for a player to become part of the unit. We have seen the Tanguy improvements given time to show his talent and it’s not gonna be just foreign players too I’m sure
the player that’s surprised me the most form overseas because of how average to poor he has been considering his fee and expectation is Keita
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
If that Everton game had have been in the league it would have finished 1-1.
Two teams went out there looking for anything other than a draw.
People wouldn't shut up about our squad strength during the first part of the season. Now we are losing and they all need to go.
He have a lot of quality players that don't suit Mourinho's style.
Mourinho's teams play in such a particularly unique manner that no team in the League right now would have the players to get him top 4.
No one has the defense of that Inter or Chelsea team. It just doesnt exist any more in football in 2021.
Imagine he took over City at the start of this season. There would be a portion of the City fanbase, those that have bought into his cult of personality, saying City don't have the players.
"Neither full back can defend" "where's the DM" "we need someone to hold it up upfront" "where has the good Raheem Sterling gone?"
Stones would be in u23s. Phil Foden sent on loan in January to get some minutes. It would be a mess and you know it.
No one would tell you that City don't have top players.
Sure you could spend a fortune and build a Mourinho team but what do you with it a season later when he's gone? Get Conte in? Because no one else can work with his system.
But right now a lot of other managers would do better with our current squad.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
This! The transfer committee have done as bad a job with the squad, since Pochettino asked them to be brave, as the cheese room committee.
Hopefully the fact that Levy’s idol is struggling to pick up points in the PL just as badly as Mauricio did during his final 12 months will persuade Danny that it’s not tactics but the fact the squad is full of has-beens and never-bes to blame, so he needs to swing the axe on those cowards for stinking up the place.
You call other people out for hyperbole and end with that statement? who are these "lot of other managers"
Mourinho got a brick United side to 2nd and two trophies 3 odd years ago but that type of player doesn't exist anymore?
Jose's record is basically in the top 3-5 managers of all time in football, but lots of others could do better .. fudging hilarious
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
If we had another manager in charge post Poch and Jose was available.... there would be plenty of people saying we should sack the new guy and get Jose
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
That's not quite true. Mourinho clearly wanted Skiniar from Inter in the Summer. He also clearly wanted Willian Jose the January before that when we had zero strikers. Pochettino wanted Bruno Fernandes and/or Dybala the summer before that.
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Luka Modric
I think the team that finished second won no trophies? and the team that won 2 trophies did it at the expense of sacrificing league position? (i.e. put all their eggs in the winning Europa basket to qualify for the CL?)
Didn't he also inherit a team that won the FA Cup the year before as well?
At best we're at par this season so the idea a lot of different managers could be doing better isn't a stretch.
If you look across the league there are plenty of sides that are probably out performing their level, why couldn't any of those managers do the same here?
Regarding your last line, you should be smart enough to understand the idea that good/great managers eventually hit a wall/go on the slide
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
His team went from conceding 15 in his first season 2004/05 with Chelsea to conceding 32 in 2014/15 when he won his last league title a decade later.
The culture in the game has changed. At the top level defenders are now essentially the players that start off the team's passing move. Their ability to resist pressing is seen as more important than defending. Top level defenders aren't used to sitting back and defending like Mourinho demands.
If those type of old school defenders were available, he would have got one in the three windows he has had.
Any of the managers that like playing football would be better fot for the squad we have.
Nuno, Tuchel, Ancellotti, Klopp, Guardiola, Bielsa, Rodgers for definite Probably Hasenhuttl, Arteta and Potter.
And that's just looking at current Premier League managers.
It's pretty much 10 years since SAF, United has won 3 trophies (2 under Jose), and their best finish is 2nd (under Jose), and they have spent a fudge ton of money after him.
Because there are tiers in the league,
- bottom strugglers (yearly relegation candidates where the only objective is survival)
- Mid table dross (always safe, never do fudge all else)
- Best of rest, better than mid tabe but not top level
- Top 6
- Title challengers
Manager who are good at one of those levels don't necessarily translate to another, the pressure/expectations is a lot difference, the odd disaster result would be tolerated at one level but not at another, not being in Europe and regular early cup exits makes a hug difference in the squad management required, level of players have very different level of egos, management skills.
If you look at the top 12 spots in the league, what manager is "overachieving"? I'd argue none, the two best of expectation vs. current position right now would be West Ham and Leicester, you think Moyes is a good manager? Based on the table, I really not seeing "lots of", or in fact any managers that I would be confident would make do lots better with this squad. It' a typical, lazy narrative throwaway comment.
To your last point, yes, some managers lose it (probably true in lots of high pressure professions), but Jose is yet to truly fail, maybe it will happen here, but it hasn't happened yet.
Nuno, the guy who has Wolves in 14th with a -8GD
Tuchel, who has played what 4 games in the UK?
Ancelotti i think is a decent manager
Klopp who is on -28 points from last season and is a serial bottler (any other team but Spurs would have won that CL final)
Pep, the ultimate checkbook manager would succeed at Spurs???
Bielsa, a fudging more naive version of Poch who conceded 38 goals already for season (3rd worse in the league)
Rodgers, you could argue is the only manager overachieving this season
Arteta .. ok .. fudge it, I'm done .. Scum haven't been in the top 10 all fudging season but you think this guy would do better ?? any reason you left out tactics Tim at this rate?
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Luka Modric
Yes.... but all of the points in my email were true weren't they?
Top clubs in England don't often take risks on managers lower down the league, not sure if we currently have the Big Club expectations or personalities that say United (Moyes) and Liverpool (Hodgson) do but i think if you were to look at our most successfull appointments recently both Redknapp and Poch came in and done well from lower down the pecking order - don't see any argument to suggest another similar level manager wouldn't handle the step up - i think chairmen at the big clubs are going to want the reassurance a big name brings but hypothetically speaking i don't see why managers who get teams performing to a good level lower down can't be expected to do the same higher up - there's just a bit of a mental block on it
It's kinda like why there's a merry go round of poor old school english managers at that level of club who drift between promotion/relegation - no one wants to take a chance on someone with less experience
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Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
Step forward Mr potter
No because you named 1 manager that is currently exceeding expectations that has no real success at top level, 1 manager who is the ultimate checkbook manager (not applicable at Spurs) and 1 manager who might (Ancelotti) do better but isn't really tearing up trees right now .. the rest you listed were quite honestly hilarious
You attribute the GA to type of defender, that may be true and/or the fact that brick teams in the PL were a lot more brick 15 years ago than they are now, and the results back that up.
I stand by my point, could another manager do better than Jose with this squad = sure, could lots of other managers? = no, that's just a flimflam statement ..