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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

StephenH said:
I was quite honestly gobs smacked after the first few minutes. My boiler guy, a Gooner came today and was shocked by our our change in performance intensity. He thinks it was weird! It was not unique this season but it was very unsettling for me.
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That’s the issue
It wasn’t isolated
We have done that quite a few games and just walked around as if the players are expecting someone else to do the work
 
billyiddo said:
Has Jose's previous teams ever been known to play a pressing game?
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No
But the counter attack thing isn’t a constant either
What he did at Chelsea first time was start fast and smash teams then sit back and pick them off
Inter was more of the same
Madrid was counter attacking but also they had some very dominant games against much inferior teams
Chelsea a time round was a mixed bag as he changed tactics mid season after they lost to Hull IIRC
United again was weird.. he had a team of defenders that he inherited and about 5 attacking players (opposite to what he has here) and a lot of the hopes were pinned on Pogba who got injured second season and they then went defensive
I can’t say I remember him playing low block except in some BIG games but then I didn’t watch his teams much as I was watching us
 
Find it thoroughly demoralising and depressing after a performance like yesterday. Football on TV and being discussed on Twitter and various websites...yet we're wallowing lower in the table than we should be, just put in a cowardly performance, journos are saying about how boring we are to watch and people questioning whether Kane will be here next season.

Our club was one to be proud of until a year or so ago. Can't wait til we're back there again
 
Not seen this posted anywhere yet so apologies if I missed it, but direct from the players so can we please now put to bed that he set us up to defend/low block. I think to be fair quite a few did argue you don't play the like of Bale if your playing to defend/low block but still.

Despite what Toby says though, I thought them lot pressed with energy and that is ultimately what we lacked, that and one touch quick passing which has been an all too common occurrence for me this season.


https://www.skysports.com/football/...ed-spurs-from-attacking-in-north-london-derby


Tottenham defender Toby Alderweireld says Arsenal's performance stopped Spurs from attacking in Sunday’s north London derby defeat but admitted they played better after going down to 10 men.

Tottenham's approach at the Emirates Stadium has drawn criticism after they only registered one shot - Erik Lamela's superb opening goal - in the first 70 minutes as Arsenal completely dominated proceedings.


The performance comes after Spurs boss Jose Mourinho dismissed claims earlier this month that his side were 'a negative team'.

Alderweireld feels Arsenal's display curbed Tottenham's attack in the 2-1 defeat, although the Belgian believes Spurs did improve after Lamela's sending off in the 76th minute.
He said: "If it was that easy I think everyone would play 100 per cent attacking football, so I think you have to give credit to them [Arsenal].

"In the games before we scored a lot of goals, played attacking football and pressed - that's what we want to do.

"But sometimes because of the opponent or because of ourselves we don't get to that stage we want.

Spurs pay price for negative mentality

The stirring attempt to conjure an equaliser after Erik Lamela's sending off only damned what had come before. Why had Jose Mourinho's side been so passive? What reason was there for such an insipid opening given that they had won five in a row coming in?
Mourinho has his methods, boasting a remarkable record against Arsene Wenger's Arsenal. He had won his previous two against Mikel Arteta's version too. Perhaps he and his players were too tempted by the template that had worked against top teams earlier in the season. But this was no Mourinho masterclass.
What will have hurt is that Spurs were able to cause so little problems of their own. This was not an Arsenal team to fear. The opportunity was there to impose themselves on the game.
 
Toby said:
"But sometimes because of the opponent or because of ourselves we don't get to that stage we want."
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Bizarre how the players can start at half pace. Given the moment, the opportunity, the opponent, to be so half arsed was really odd to watch.
It was like going into a cage to fight a wolf and just sitting down and waiting and thinking and ...
 
demotw said:
Not seen this posted anywhere yet so apologies if I missed it, but direct from the players so can we please now put to bed that he set us up to defend/low block. I think to be fair quite a few did argue you don't play the like of Bale if your playing to defend/low block but still.

Despite what Toby says though, I thought them lot pressed with energy and that is ultimately what we lacked, that and one touch quick passing which has been an all too common occurrence for me this season.


https://www.skysports.com/football/...ed-spurs-from-attacking-in-north-london-derby


Tottenham defender Toby Alderweireld says Arsenal's performance stopped Spurs from attacking in Sunday’s north London derby defeat but admitted they played better after going down to 10 men.

Tottenham's approach at the Emirates Stadium has drawn criticism after they only registered one shot - Erik Lamela's superb opening goal - in the first 70 minutes as Arsenal completely dominated proceedings.


The performance comes after Spurs boss Jose Mourinho dismissed claims earlier this month that his side were 'a negative team'.

Alderweireld feels Arsenal's display curbed Tottenham's attack in the 2-1 defeat, although the Belgian believes Spurs did improve after Lamela's sending off in the 76th minute.
He said: "If it was that easy I think everyone would play 100 per cent attacking football, so I think you have to give credit to them [Arsenal].

"In the games before we scored a lot of goals, played attacking football and pressed - that's what we want to do.

"But sometimes because of the opponent or because of ourselves we don't get to that stage we want.

Spurs pay price for negative meteorology

The stirring attempt to conjure an equaliser after Erik Lamela's sending off only damned what had come before. Why had Jose Mourinho's side been so passive? What reason was there for such an insipid opening given that they had won five in a row coming in?
Mourinho has his methods, boasting a remarkable record against Arsene Wenger's Arsenal. He had won his previous two against Mikel Arteta's version too. Perhaps he and his players were too tempted by the template that had worked against top teams earlier in the season. But this was no Mourinho masterclass.
What will have hurt is that Spurs were able to cause so little problems of their own. This was not an Arsenal team to fear. The opportunity was there to impose themselves on the game.
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Because the opponents had been coached with a plan to nullify us and our own coach didn't have the coaching ability or nous to counter the opposition..we might have got away with it if their players were really, REALLY crap though
 
glorygloryeze said:
Because the opponents had been coached with a plan to nullify us and our own coach didn't have the coaching ability or nous to counter the opposition..we might have got away with it if their players were really, REALLY crap though
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Plans rarely survive the first 10mins. Of course there was a plan, but that doesnt mean it was executed how it was designed from a player perspective. Add to the fact losing Sonny after 20mins wastes a sub, then we go 1-0 up so you dont normally change too much when you are winning. Then they score with what 3mins left in the half? He makes the subs 10mins into the 2nd half while still 1-1??

Not saying he is perfect, not saying perhaps he shouldnt have asked Luca to support Doherty and maybe move Bale in the middle, but Luca has also been criticised for his tracking in the past so that wouldn't have pleased some no matter what he did.

I get you dont like Mou, not my most favourite person in the world and i was disappointed Poch wasnt given the money and time to turn things around - But im not blinded by it and criticise blindly. He played attacking football last few games, he picked the same team to do so again only the team didnt get anywhere near the level needed for some reason.
 
StephenH said:
I was quite honestly gobs smacked after the first few minutes. My boiler guy, a Gooner came today and was shocked by our our change in performance intensity. He thinks it was weird! It was not unique this season but it was very unsettling for me.
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The boiler guy chat or the Tottenham performance?
 
demotw said:
Plans rarely survive the first 10mins. Of course there was a plan, but that doesnt mean it was executed how it was designed from a player perspective. Add to the fact losing Sonny after 20mins wastes a sub, then we go 1-0 up so you dont normally change too much when you are winning. Then they score with what 3mins left in the half? He makes the subs 10mins into the 2nd half while still 1-1??

Not saying he is perfect, not saying perhaps he shouldnt have asked Luca to support Doherty and maybe move Bale in the middle, but Luca has also been criticised for his tracking in the past so that wouldn't have pleased some no matter what he did.

I get you dont like Mou, not my most favourite person in the world and i was disappointed Poch wasnt given the money and time to turn things around - But im not blinded by it and criticise blindly. He played attacking football last few games, he picked the same team to do so again only the team didnt get anywhere near the level needed for some reason.
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A football match involves plans before and during a match as and when adjustments become necessary (and also if those adjustments are possible given personal, tactical acumen etc).
It's how a coach coaches his team and how a coach is judged.

I don't think i or others are criticizing blindly at all. We have a long body of work to look at now and despite recenty being on the front-foot, it's not like it was the first time we played such insipid, cowardly football under Jose: see many games last year and this season. Arsenal are our main rivals but we seemed so scared of them in the same way we seemed when we played Liverpool, Chelsea, Brighton, Palace away and Wolves. And Arsenal are having such a poor season as well.

When it happens more often than not, the questions inevitably will shift away from individual players or individuals moments to the one thing that has been constant for a year and 4 months now: and that is the manager.
It's one thing 'picking a team', it's another coaching them how to start the game and also recognizing the tactics of the opponent in-game and working to adjust and nullify them.

It's clear now that our manager seems to have lost the art/ability to do such things when hes not playing an opponent with far lesser resources in personnel than his (and games against the likes of Brighton and Fulham show that the problem is often worse than we might realise...)
 
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