Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
He won’t have injury data if a player isn’t still meeting the fitness parameters
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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thfcsteff
George Hunt
The fitness data tracks their overall physical condition versus minutes on the pitch, various body levels and what-not. It cannot uncover a tweak or a twinge. Pochettino has always trusted his squad. Managers have to trust their players to a degree. It is a player's responsibility to speak about twinges and what-not as much as the staff's to catch them. Staff can only do so much. I appreciate that if every player cried about every twinge then we'd calling them pussies, but the hamstring/Ndombele has happened already this season and it is clear he has been managed to a point where Poch wanted to see if he could drive on and push through to full match fitness. However he has done it, if he felt even the slightest stiffness in it after the CL, it might have been worth mentioning. I think it is simply unfortunate, and frankly, I cannot blame Ndombele for wanting to play. I think Poch was frustrated by the injury but I didn't see him specifically say that Ndombele had caused us to draw the match.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Most interesting is how he claims he was slinging crosses in with us. I distinctly remember that was NOT the case, indeed, he cost us several goals because he tried to hold onto the ball/play it back and fudged it up!!!!!!!! Revisionist to my mind...if he declared himself 100% when he wasn't a few times last season, that is not good at all and would explain a breakdown between club and him. I am getting tired of hearing from him TBH. Glad it is going well for him, but he was allowed to leave cheap and should be grateful for all we did for him.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Forgive my ignorance but what does that mean in layman's terms?
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
To be fair to the lad, he's taken a relatively unique career path for an English player so there is press interest. They are bound to ask about Tottenham and it always strikes me that he has a story to tell and he's biting his tongue a bit.
Never liked him as a player but always came across as a good, humble lad to me in any interview I've seen or read.
StephenH
David Ginola
I don’t know the facts!
It might all true and it might not!
I’ll wait and see what happens!
I know we are playing dreadful and Poch looks a little rudderless.
I think we need some organising and direction.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
he did in his first season iirc, we scored a lot of goals from trippier making passes and crosses from high on the right
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
I’m not an expert (my new nephew is)
Players are measured in fitness parameter e.g, speed, reaction times, metabolic data, anabolic data...
If his numbers stay within his set standard (which would be done on tests) he would be deemed fit enough to play
Their would be an accepted variation on the data over the season all set for players to peak at various points
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
their also intrusive, and can only show things if your looking for them. They don’t do full body scans... well not that I’m aware of
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I’m going to assume Sess for example has probably gotten into Poch’s good books by reporting on how his hamstring feels, even though he’s probably been eager to get going, he’ll work at it until it’s right and if it takes a few more weeks, he won’t rush it. Similarly Dele. Probably similarly Lamela as well, to be fair.
it’s interesting. At the time a lot of the initial rift with Toby was around how he thought he was ready to play and Poch and Jesus disagreed. There must be something here in Poch and team looking out for players long time, and being majorly annoyed that they want to go in it for themselves / not commit. And maybe you can’t blame the players. Because a club will cast them aside when they need to, and they will always want to play.
I really don’t know all of the implications here, and think it’s a story just coming out more and developing. Maybe younger players are more willing to protect themselves long term and go along with the idea of putting the team first. Maybe older players want to be out there as much as possible. Maybe Poch is struggling with that. Maybe players should realise that getting out there unfit isn’t helping them or anyone else.
I would absolutely love to know exactly what happened last season. Would be fascinating.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
It actually only takes one player.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
To do what?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
thfcsteff
George Hunt
First season. Read the story mate, he spoke about last season.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Me too. I had heard the story about Toby and Trippier coming to blows after Liverpool at home and assumed that was a big part of it but he says in that Guardian piece that him and Toby spoke about the move to Spain so they were obviously on decent terms. It's a fascinating situation.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I pretty much agree with that. I'd add that I think he's already gotten a bit of time because of his previous good work. The CL run obviously also played its part in that, but if it had been a new manager starting in 2019 with the same performances and results I think the pressure would be much higher.
Or another comparison. Look at Emery, "only" three points ahead of us, but he hasn't overseen anything like the decline we've seen over the last 10 months, seems likely to be gone soon.
Pochettino has credit in the bank, he's earned that, he deserves more time.
The question for me is how much time? When will performances and results have to show a real improvement? This side of Christmas? Before March? This season? Or can we struggle like this until the summer and still trust him with money and relatively big transfer decisions? Or does the trust in him extend beyond that even?
I don't have answers to these questions myself, so perhaps unfair to ask them of others. I do wonder how long this should be allowed to continue, and I think Levy is asking himself the same question.
Daisuk
Dimitar Berbatov
This pretty much sums up where I'm at with it as well. I want nothing more than Poch to rectify things, but there has to be some significant improvement in a lot of areas over a period of time quite soon, I reckon.
I think when a squad is as close of a unit as ours seemed to be then the fallout from any negative situation that arises has potential to cause huge rifts
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Interesting to me was the inference of Spurs training lacking tactical focus, the idea he is learning more out in Spain and with England.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...etico-madrid-tottenham-rooney-darts-interview
“The most important thing is I’m enjoying my football. I’ve come to a different league, different surroundings, different culture, everything. And maybe the new challenge has woken me up. It was there to see last season that sometimes my concentration was lacking. Sometimes it led to goals, I know that. And I’ve said many times over the last 16 months my defending needs to improve. People questioned the move but it was the perfect team. If I play for Cholo [Diego Simeone], I know defensively I can improve.” [Couldnt under Poch?]
In what? “Positioning. If [left-back Renan] Lodi’s bombing forward I can’t be up here as well like in England, because you get a turnover of play and there’s so much space. I need to be thinking defensively always.” Yet, pushed high and wide, it is in attack where he has most impressed with the quality of his passing and timing, liberated by Koke’s covering. “Koke’s brilliant to play with: he’s so honest, his work ethic’s incredible. Everybody’s is, but Koke does so much running, I don’t know how he does it,” Trippier says. “There’s a lot of tactical work. Every day I’m learning. Training’s totally different. For me, that’s perfect. I’m getting help off one of the best coaches in the world.”
It’s notable how rarely Trippier loses possession. He says he doesn’t know the amount – 78% pass completion – but does know part of the answer. “You see sometimes last season or before I was maybe putting the ball in the box for the sake of it. Look at the goal [Álvaro] Morata scored from [Ángel] Correa’s pass [against Athletic]. At Tottenham I would have just crossed that, but there’s three v one so I came back out, played it to Koke, Koke to Ángel, Ángel to Morata, goal. It’s practice. In this league if you give the ball away you can be chasing it a long time. It’s about being patient: if the cross isn’t on, come back out. Koke, Ángel, goal.
“We do that with England too, with Gareth,” Trippier adds swiftly. “If it’s not on, turn out, play to Hendo [Jordan Henderson]. You see the one at the World Cup with Jesse Lingard. It’s not just throwing the ball in the box, hoping they get on the end of it.”