Next Spurs Manager

[lurker of old]

We're currently the worst team in the league, whether you like it or not.

Sadly this may almost be true, even if we are not yet in the bottom half of the table.

 

[SteveAWOL]

We're currently the worst team in the league, whether you like it or not.

Sadly this may almost be true, even if we are not yet in the bottom half of the table.

That’s a slight exaggeration... as statistically we’re actually only the 6th worst side in the league...

 

[scaramanga]

If you want to move the conversation along, fair enough.

But just to conclude the the point we were discussing , getting to the CL final is a step forward. End of.

I think they're have been many more steps backwards than forward and probably more to come in the (bumpy) season ahead. Any sense of a step back is intolerable to some but Poch had made so many steps consistently forward in his first 4 seasons he'd left himself with only the hardest steps to take ie the final steps. Unfortunately with the current situation, he has never been so far from them final steps, in fact even some of the familiar steps he's taken many times before are gonna be an effort.

He himself, is gonna need to 'want' to take them though as there is some element of re-climbing the mountain here.

Is playing badly but succeeding despite performances taking steps forward? I'd argue not.

It's long-term, repeatable success that I want for us. Staggering our way to a cup final we didn't even compete in, in the middle of 12 months of barely looking any better than Burnley is not my idea of success.

 

[thfcsteff]

Here you go, a choice for all the naysayers.

Poch stays two more years minimum and gets the chance to rebuild, or you can turf him next Tuesday and unveil this man for the short-term "bounce"...



...yeah.

I didn't think so.

 

[thfcsteff]

Perhaps one of the kinder critics here could write Poch a letter, enclose this photo and ask if he would adopt a few more of this "football genius"s methods and ways, starting with a baseball cap and mouth constantly hanging open spewing volumous instructions?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Is playing badly but succeeding despite performances taking steps forward? I'd argue not.

It's long-term, repeatable success that I want for us. Staggering our way to a cup final we didn't even compete in, in the middle of 12 months of barely looking any better than Burnley is not my idea of success.

My step forward word has magically morphed into success?

Steps forward are valuable, especially experience of the big game, when you take that step again, hopefully the previous experience proves valuable. Not success itself but a step to success.

Only Leicester have really bypassed any steps to success in recent years, nearly all other teams pay their dues.

 

[Moby]

Is playing badly but succeeding despite performances taking steps forward? I'd argue not.

It's long-term, repeatable success that I want for us. Staggering our way to a cup final we didn't even compete in, in the middle of 12 months of barely looking any better than Burnley is not my idea of success.

I recall we actually lost to Burnley!

 

[scaramanga]

My step forward word has magically morphed into success?

Steps forward are valuable, especially experience of the big game, when you take that step again, hopefully the previous experience proves valuable. Not success itself but a step to success.

Only Leicester have really bypassed any steps to success in recent years, nearly all other teams pay their dues.

Replace the word success with "step forward" if you like - I stand by the point in the same way for the same reasons.

 

[glasgowspur]

Under normal circumstances no manager would be let go on the back of a CL final. But our league form had tanked - I think our last away win had been Fulham in February with a last minute winner? Then you have to add to that the bizarre circumstances whereby a manager effectively threw himself in the shop window days before the biggest game in the club's history.

At that point, it was clear that he was in it for himself. On top of that he picked the wrong team, we were a complete no-show, and his star was already begin to lose its sparkle. I don't think that that level of self-promotion over the good of the team is very enticing for prospect employers.

But the crux of the issue here is that we are brick, and have been so for over half a season. We're currently the worst team in the league, whether you like it or not. Who have we taken points from this year? Villa, Southampton & Palace at home, losing to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Brighton, Leicester and drawing at home to Watford with a fortunate late goal after a shambolic performance.

Where do people see points coming from if not Brighton and Watford? We were comprehensively outplayed in both those games. The poor form has been going on for ages, but the malaise in morale and hunger can be pin-pointed to the days before the CL final. Did you ever think you'd see Kane ambling around not really caring? Me neither, but here we are. No one gives a brick, and that comes from he top.

I want to see what impact having a proven winner who measures success in trophies in the dugout might do. Currently, we are fudging crap, brick at the back, brick in midfield and playing without a recognised striker up front. Its fudging dogbrick.

Go on then show us one actual, meaningfull, measurable stat to back up that we are the worst team in the league.
Just one.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Here you go, a choice for all the naysayers.

Poch stays two more years minimum and gets the chance to rebuild, or you can turf him next Tuesday and unveil this man for the short-term "bounce"...View attachment 7452



...yeah.

I didn't think so.

Steff this is a ridiculous post.

Also I think Wenger might well do better than Poch right now.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Sissoko cost £30m.

That makes John Scales a £60m player.

That's about £10 million per appearance.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think there would be a queue a mile long and he’d go for 3 times that.

Egyptian pounds?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Poch should have gone after the CL final.

Agree 400%. A drowning man will clutch at anything to stay afloat, but watching it is not an edifying sight. 3 at the back against Watford? Madness. High time Levy acted....

While Poch set up the team in a 3-5-2 Jan and (especially) Alderweireld were given loads of license to get forward. I think there were at least 4 occasions when Alderweireld found himself in a fantastic position to deliver a decent ball and failed.

Again, I think people are getting too sidetracked by our formations. The problem is our performances (much of which is coming from being far too safe on the ball) as opposed to whatever formation we are playing.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Under normal circumstances no manager would be let go on the back of a CL final. But our league form had tanked - I think our last away win had been Fulham in February with a last minute winner? Then you have to add to that the bizarre circumstances whereby a manager effectively threw himself in the shop window days before the biggest game in the club's history.

At that point, it was clear that he was in it for himself. On top of that he picked the wrong team, we were a complete no-show, and his star was already begin to lose its sparkle. I don't think that that level of self-promotion over the good of the team is very enticing for prospect employers.

But the crux of the issue here is that we are brick, and have been so for over half a season. We're currently the worst team in the league, whether you like it or not. Who have we taken points from this year? Villa, Southampton & Palace at home, losing to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Brighton, Leicester and drawing at home to Watford with a fortunate late goal after a shambolic performance.

Where do people see points coming from if not Brighton and Watford? We were comprehensively outplayed in both those games. The poor form has been going on for ages, but the malaise in morale and hunger can be pin-pointed to the days before the CL final. Did you ever think you'd see Kane ambling around not really caring? Me neither, but here we are. No one gives a brick, and that comes from he top.

I want to see what impact having a proven winner who measures success in trophies in the dugout might do. Currently, we are fudging crap, brick at the back, brick in midfield and playing without a recognised striker up front. Its fudging dogbrick.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that we were completely outplayed by Watford. We were comprehensively outplayed by Brighton and Emirates Marketing Project in the league this season, but haven't been in any of our other games so far. We haven't looked good or played well but I'm not sure we have deserved to be on the losing side to anyone other than Emirates Marketing Project and Brighton (although I must confess that I haven't checked the XG numbers for Saturday's game).

 

[parklane1]

While Poch set up the team in a 3-5-2 Jan and (especially) Alderweireld were given loads of license to get forward. I think there were at least 4 occasions when Alderweireld found himself in a fantastic position to deliver a decent ball and failed.

Again, I think people are getting too sidetracked by our formations. The problem is our performances (much of which is coming from being far too safe on the ball) as opposed to whatever formation we are playing.

This.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Steff this is a ridiculous post.

Also I think Wenger might well do better than Poch right now.

I don't think he's come and manage us mate.

 

[lurker of old]

While Poch set up the team in a 3-5-2 Jan and (especially) Alderweireld were given loads of license to get forward.
Partly resulting in Watford's goal sadly. We shouldn't be parking the bus against Watford but the ability to do so against Liverpool would be handy.

 

[Finney Is Back]

While Poch set up the team in a 3-5-2 Jan and (especially) Alderweireld were given loads of license to get forward.
Partly resulting in Watford's goal sadly. We shouldn't be parking the bus against Watford but the ability to do so against Liverpool would be handy.

Disagree completely. Watford's goal was entirely avoidable if either of Alderweireld or Sanchez had acted in a similar way to Jan.... (or the same way that most reasonably competent centre halves would've reacted). The ball out to Janmaat was a good one and Janmaat's first touch and cross were both excellent, but there is no reason for Sanchez and Alderweireld not to be back level with Jan at this point and, if they are level with Jan, then Dacoure isn't going to get a shot in there.

In what way do you feel that we were parking the bus against Watford? Or are you naively assuming that playing 3 at the back is automatically more defensive playing a formation without 3 at the back?

 

[Bullet]

Disagree completely. Watford's goal was entirely avoidable if either of Alderweireld or Sanchez had acted in a similar way to Jan.... (or the same way that most reasonably competent centre halves would've reacted). The ball out to Janmaat was a good one and Janmaat's first touch and cross were both excellent, but there is no reason for Sanchez and Alderweireld not to be back level with Jan at this point and, if they are level with Jan, then Dacoure isn't going to get a shot in there.

This! Doucoure was standing next to Sissy and Toby. Doucoure ran towards goal IN CASE Janmaat beat Rose and puts a good cross in... whilst Sissy and Toby walked and jogged, waiting to see if Rose cut the ball out. When Rose missed it, Toby started to accelerate but Sissy was out of the race by then.

I've seen this many times with "5 at the back". Nobody takes responsibility, everyone thinks "the other guy" will sort it out. Meanwhile Sanchez can't sense the danger because Doucoure isn't near him so he thinks all is fine and dandy.

Whereas with 442 it is clear that the defender's job is to defend i.e. YOU are the centre back so sprint backwards IN CASE Janmaat beats Rose and puts a good cross in.

 

[Raziel]

I agree.

We could do with a dead cat bounce to get us through to the season and have a reasonable assessment and clear out.

We need a drastic change and not let this loser meteorology stick after we've taken decades to correct it.

I haven't done the sums, but I believe you can cut it to look like we belong to the bottom half if you include the decline in the late part of last season.

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Math is last season worth of games we have a return that would put us in about 14th