Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

But that is the point that people are trying to make. They are trying to make the world fairer.
Mainstream media is not reporting what people are seeing and then they wonder why such shock things happen at elections.


Liberals and the left need to wake up to the fact that what they have done to the country is pave way for political movement they claim to hate. If they had governed for all the people instead of minorities it would not happen.

TikTok - Make Your Day

You may or may not be on tiktok, but it is articles like this that need to be battled. But the left never engage they just do whataboutism and then it goes on and on.

If they don't admit to an issue it will get worse and then they only have themselves to blame. I just wish they would wake up before it's to late.

I am not living in a dream world but being bought up in East London I am in Whitechapel once a week if not twice and I worked in the area for 4 and half years and as distressing as that video its not a true reflection of the area and thats not me sticking my head in the sand, thats a honest assessment.

These single taken videos of incidents, which even in those videos reported arrests, people see the videos and go "ohhhhhhhhh London is dead".........If you live in London you know its really not.

Thats my point, half of these reports and videos are being used to blanket a total opinion of an area or city, mainly by people who live in the sticks and not actually living it

If I met a dozen immigrants in a day and all are decent people and the last one I meet is a total scumbag, I am not going to lie and pretend the original dozen are not decent people because one person spoils it, it would be a nonsense to do so, nothing to do with liberal or woke, just a sensible truthful way to live life.

Its like Southport for me, an absolute fcuking heinous crime and one that I can't get my head round, how anyone can harm kids is beyond me. Thats an individual who has travelled a long way, relatively to commit that crime, but is that crime but that person a reflection on everyone associated with that person by way of colour, sex, religion? Does that mean its open season to attack innocent people like there was because of that individuals crime? You can be appalled at the crime and also think the vigilante action after was also pathetic and misguided without being liberal or woke

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I am not living in a dream world but being bought up in East London I am in Whitechapel once a week if not twice and I worked in the area for 4 and half years and as distressing as that video its not a true reflection of the area and thats not me sticking my head in the sand, thats a honest assessment.

These single taken videos of incidents, which even in those videos reported arrests, people see the videos and go "ohhhhhhhhh London is dead".........If you live in London you know its really not.

Thats my point, half of these reports and videos are being used to blanket a total opinion of an area or city, mainly by people who live in the sticks and not actually living it

If I met a dozen immigrants in a day and all are decent people and the last one I meet is a total scumbag, I am not going to lie and pretend the original dozen are not decent people because one person spoils it, it would be a nonsense to do so, nothing to do with liberal or woke, just a sensible truthful way to live life.

Its like Southport for me, an absolute fcuking heinous crime and one that I can't get my head round, how anyone can harm kids is beyond me. Thats an individual who has travelled a long way, relatively to commit that crime, but is that crime but that person a reflection on everyone associated with that person by way of colour, sex, religion? Does that mean its open season to attack innocent people like there was because of that individuals crime? You can be appalled at the crime and also think the vigilante action after was also pathetic and misguided without being liberal or woke

I will show you another video, it has not been altered or doctored. It is dangerous brain washing of young children https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdJoMYA4/

People always say about the good migrants, well yeah I have meet loads, married one.

But what is it with woke liberals that they can't understand it is about numbers, it is about proper criminal checks on their backgrounds and the complete failure to assimilate into a tolerant western culture.


I like you as a poster but you and people like you are literally to blame for when we end up with a Trump. Will never understand the need to constantly ignore what is as clear as day. Maybe bullied at school or no friends or a misguided notion of being in the "right" giving feelings of morale superiority.

Europe's problems are the making of the liberals land I'm convinced we will end up with a Trump like figure who chums up to putin because the liberals running so much of our society are pushing people that way.

Farage put up a video the other day about some charity in London who were helping people who had just arrived in the country how to get a council flat. The video was in Arabic and the solicitors were only talking in Arabic.

When he posted the video criticising it, it got taken down and the charity said they no longer offer that service, if you believe them. Tell me how that is fair to people on those waiting lists for homes, tell me how it is fair without going into some long winded rant about how it's because the are not enough homes being built. Just tell me how it is fair that someone (maybe even not someone born here, or someone of colour) is working paying tax and on a waiting list for a home for years gets usurped for a home by someone who has just set foot in the country?

 

[SpurMeUp]

If you feel a bout of mild xenophobia coming on, maybe remembering that it is a trait of the old, may help to cure it.

As people age, all over the world, they have an instinct to reject outsiders, change and openness. It is a human trait. Psychologists have studied it and in all cultures (actually apart from Sweden which may have changed now), the old become more xenophobic. Dont be an old grumpy git is my advice

 

[Grays_1890]

But what is it with woke liberals that they can't understand it is about numbers, it is about proper criminal checks on their backgrounds and the complete failure to assimilate into a tolerant western culture.

I like you as a poster but you and people like you are literally to blame for when we end up with a Trump. Will never understand the need to constantly ignore what is as clear as day. Maybe bullied at school or no friends or a misguided notion of being in the "right" giving feelings of morale superiority.

With all due respect mate, that's a parroting load of rubbish, seen it being rolled out many times but means very little. Being able to have rational thought that means I don't blame all people for individual crimes does not make me at fault for people believing rubbish they read on the internet, that's a convenience that means people don't have to admit to being absolute cnuts to people in society or believing every bit of rubbish on the internet

I would say growing up having a large social circle being a Jew in a massively multicultural Essex with a large west Indian/bengali local population and a good and enjoyable upbringing means exposure to those things, mean I am likely more open minded than those that seemingly did not. Thats not about moral superiority its called not lying about experiences, what would you rather do me lie to agree with you and say my experiences have been different so we can agree? Sorry mate, not sure thats how it works.

To be totally clear, I don't not live obliviously to the issues we have in this country, I am just not jumping on the bandwagons where people can't be bothered to rationally separate issues, separate the individuals from the masses, blame everyone based on religion or skin colour, go around like mobs bashing people up OR claiming that London is a war zone and is lost when its not.

As for the last part about being bullied because of the views I hold I can assure you, you are wrong, but if it makes you square the circle in your head about it, knock yourself out.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I like you as a poster but you and people like you are literally to blame for when we end up with a Trump. Will never understand the need to constantly ignore what is as clear as day. Maybe bullied at school or no friends or a misguided notion of being in the "right" giving feelings of morale superiority.

I like you as a poster.....BUT..

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

With all due respect mate, that's a parroting load of rubbish, seen it being rolled out many times but means very little. Being able to have rational thought that means I don't blame all people for individual crimes does not make me at fault for people believing rubbish they read on the internet, that's a convenience that means people don't have to admit to being absolute cnuts to people in society or believing every bit of rubbish on the internet

I would say growing up having a large social circle being a Jew in a massively multicultural Essex with a large west Indian/bengali local population and a good and enjoyable upbringing means exposure to those things, mean I am likely more open minded than those that seemingly did not. Thats not about moral superiority its called not lying about experiences, what would you rather do me lie to agree with you and say my experiences have been different so we can agree? Sorry mate, not sure thats how it works.

To be totally clear, I don't not live obliviously to the issues we have in this country, I am just not jumping on the bandwagons where people can't be bothered to rationally separate issues, separate the individuals from the masses, blame everyone based on religion or skin colour, go around like mobs bashing people up OR claiming that London is a war zone and is lost when its not.

As for the last part about being bullied because of the views I hold I can assure you, you are wrong, but if it makes you square the circle in your head about it, knock yourself out.

Well I shared the videos because I don't have to hand my wife, her niece who was abused in Norwich or my young co worker who was stalked in Brighton to give their views.

I have a fairly broad circle of friends and literally all of them are having the same experiences.

No one wants to see people going around bashing up brown people or Muslims or Jews. But it is the complete avoidance to confront a growing problem that is an issue that the liberals and woke lot have caused.

30 years ago being liberal was great but it has morphed into a weird form of cultists that is making for an unfair society and storing up problems for the future. It makes me sad that you people actually seem to want that.

 

[Grays_1890]

I like you as a poster.....BUT..

"Bullied at School"

Is there some online tutorial where people go for these stock replies, grown ups going with the old "sticks and stones" retorts......honestly its given me a good laugh that one.

Almost as much as the "thats why you not are not on the Whatsapp group from here"

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I like you as a poster.....BUT..

What is funny about that.

I like you and your posts but I am prepared to disagree with you if I see fit.

To many on here seem to pick sides and then see who is on their side and back them regardless. I agree on some things with @markysimmo but he likes Trump so I call him out on it.

I'm capable of critical thinking and taking every individual topic on its merit. Are you capable of doing that? Or would you see someone debating with someone on "your side" and come in and just post an emoji?

Try reaching my level where you don't care for sides and just hold your own views. You won't be as good as me at it. But then no one is.

 

[Grays_1890]

Well I shared the videos because I don't have to hand my wife, her niece who was abused in Norwich or my young co worker who was stalked in Brighton to give their views.

I have a fairly broad circle of friends and literally all of them are having the same experiences.

No one wants to see people going around bashing up brown people or Muslims or Jews. But it is the complete avoidance to confront a growing problem that is an issue that the liberals and woke lot have caused.

30 years ago being liberal was great but it has morphed into a weird form of cultists that is making for an unfair society and storing up problems for the future. It makes me sad that you people actually seem to want that.

But respectfully, despite the noise and soundbites, I am yet to have seen or heard one rational plan in dealing with these issues that does not involve the idea of rounding people up and treating them all the same.

The Tories were the ones with the plan to stop the boats and it got worse under their watch at the time, I am happy to accept measures needed to deal with things, but not one that takes broad swipes at people who are here legally and filling a pretty large labour gap in this country.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

"Bullied at School"

Is there some online tutorial where people go for these stock replies, grown ups going with the old "sticks and stones" retorts......honestly its given me a good laugh that one.

Almost as much as the "thats why you not are not on the Whatsapp group from here"

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It is trying to understand the psychology of people who can not admit to a problem that is clearly there because it contradicts their long held political beliefs.

I went through it in 2008, a born and bred capitalist who chased money his whole life. The credit crisis brought home some hard truths to me and it took a couple of years nut I accepted the are inherent flaws in capitalism and it needs changing.

The grooming gang stuff should have been enough to make the liberals think. But the indoctrination through schools and media like the BBC literally meant liberals were not able to have a road to Damascus moment and think yes the is a problem.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

But respectfully, despite the noise and soundbites, I am yet to have seen or heard one rational plan in dealing with these issues that does not involve the idea of rounding people up and treating them all the same.

The Tories were the ones with the plan to stop the boats and it got worse under their watch at the time, I am happy to accept measures needed to deal with things, but not one that takes broad swipes at people who are here legally and filling a pretty large labour gap in this country.

Everything the tories tried to do was blocked and blocked by liberal civil servants and house of Lords and Liberal judges.

They were hounded in the media and by labour and called fascist for wanting to return the boots straight away . They still sort of wanted to win elections so eventually went for the offshore thing just before losing the election.

 

[Grays_1890]

It is trying to understand the psychology of people who can not admit to a problem that is clearly there because it contradicts their long held political beliefs.

I went through it in 2008, a born and bred capitalist who chased money his whole life. The credit crisis brought home some hard truths to me and it took a couple of years nut I accepted the are inherent flaws in capitalism and it needs changing.

The grooming gang stuff should have been enough to make the liberals think. But the indoctrination through schools and media like the BBC literally meant liberals were not able to have a road to Damascus moment and think yes the is a problem.

I think you are making a convenient lie to yourself when you claim people don't admit to there being a problem, criminality is clearly a problem. The point where people like myself don't agree AND I will say it again is when people make broad statements about people of certain religions and races based on individual crimes.

You won't find anyone that says the grooming gangs are not an issue, where you will find the nuance is when people me don't agree with this constantly repeated rhetoric that you are "more likely to be a groomer, nonce, rapist if you are..............." *insert race or religion, not when the stats and trends in this country point towards a massive issue white lead British born issue on all of those subjects.

Charge and blame the criminals, not the innocent who are blamed by association............how woke

 

[Grays_1890]

Everything the tories tried to do was blocked and blocked by liberal civil servants and house of Lords and Liberal judges.

They were hounded in the media and by labour and called fascist for wanting to return the boots straight away . They still sort of wanted to win elections so eventually went for the offshore thing just before losing the election.

What did they try? Even potential immigrants told media that Rwanda was not a deterrent, you don't need to be a liberal to know its a fcuking horrendous idea when the yearly capacity of that idea was around 300 in total. Thats like half a days problem in a year.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think you are making a convenient lie to yourself when you claim people don't admit to there being a problem, criminality is clearly a problem. The point where people like myself don't agree AND I will say it again is when people make broad statements about people of certain religions and races based on individual crimes.

You won't find anyone that says the grooming gangs are not an issue, where you will find the nuance is when people me don't agree with this constantly repeated rhetoric that you are "more likely to be a groomer, nonce, rapist if you are..............." *insert race or religion, not when the stats and trends in this country point towards a massive issue white lead British born issue on all of those subjects.

Charge and blame the criminals, not the innocent who are blamed by association............how woke

So the is not an institutional problem in Muslim communities targeting non Muslim young girls for sexual gratification?

Clearly not all Muslim are grooming and no one has ever said that. But like the institutional racism in the police force had to be rightly addressed after Steven Lawrence the grooming gangs need to be addressed.

A separate issue with how many young men come to this country illegally and are completely alien to our culture because they come from places with records of appalling treatment of women, needs to be addressed.

But by continuing to shirk the issue or fob people off the liberals that run our media and civil service and courts are just making the inevitable backlash worse.

Why not govern in a tough but fair way.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

What is funny about that.

I like you and your posts but I am prepared to disagree with you if I see fit.

To many on here seem to pick sides and then see who is on their side and back them regardless. I agree on some things with @markysimmo but he likes Trump so I call him out on it.

I'm capable of critical thinking and taking every individual topic on its merit. Are you capable of doing that? Or would you see someone debating with someone on "your side" and come in and just post an emoji?

Try reaching my level where you don't care for sides and just hold your own views. You won't be as good as me at it. But then no one is.

Yes, you certainly have your views on Grays, and 'who' he is.

If you are happy to talk to him like that, then we aren't far from the crux of the problem.

Maybe I just need to sign up to the critical thinking academy that is TikTok?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

What did they try? Even potential immigrants told media that Rwanda was not a deterrent, you don't need to be a liberal to know its a fcuking horrendous idea when the yearly capacity of that idea was around 300 in total. Thats like half a days problem in a year.

Well turning the boats round in the channel would be my solution. I often hear people say they will capsize the boats and it's dangerous.

After you stop the first 10 boats and all are returned they would stop coming. If the navy do it then they can get people out the water. How many die a year crossing illegally.

Think if some did sadly die it would still be less then the amounts that die crossing. It is the complete failure to do this by the tories and labour that is pushing people towards Farage.

Honestly think the reason people don't want to stop it is because it's such a big industry for immigration lawyers, partly funded by the tax payer.


Did you see the Telegraph article how we spent 140 million last year sending asylum seekers to football matches, days out and sky tv subscriptions amongst other things. Before they got to housing.

Lovely for the hard working tax payers who were struggling to put the heating on over the winter or want to help their kids get on the property ladder.

But rather then say the are to many coming the liberals for decades have either encouraged it or put their head in the sand. I just wish you would all wake up before it's to late.


Might bookmark this page so you guys can read it again in 5 years time.

 

[Grays_1890]

So the is not an institutional problem in Muslim communities targeting non Muslim young girls for sexual gratification?

Clearly not all Muslim are grooming and no one has ever said that. But like the institutional racism in the police force had to be rightly addressed after Steven Lawrence the grooming gangs need to be addressed.

A separate issue with how many young men come to this country illegally and are completely alien to our culture because they come from places with records of appalling treatment of women, needs to be addressed.

But by continuing to shirk the issue or fob people off the liberals that run our media and civil service and courts are just making the inevitable backlash worse.

Why not govern in a tough but fair way.

I think there is a MASSIVE CSE problem in this country and I am massively keen to see it dealt with, but I don't think its a intuitional problem in Muslims anymore more than I do think its a white men under 30 problem considering its them that commit them most crimes by a massive margin (including taking into account differential of % in our population). I think like it has always been since the dawn of time, its a MAN AND POWER issue.

 

[Grays_1890]

Yes, you certainly have your views on Grays, and 'who' he is.

If you are happy to talk to him like that, then we aren't far from the crux of the problem.

Maybe I just need to sign up to the critical thinking academy that is TikTok?

TBF to Danish, I have zero issue with him, we jab back and forth today I think its largely respectful, But I laugh at the assumptions about because they are wrong. I take everyone as I find them regardless, I have just found that a really decent and calm way of living, has certainly helped in life and work.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Yes, you certainly have your views on Grays, and 'who' he is.

If you are happy to talk to him like that, then we aren't far from the crux of the problem.

Maybe I just need to sign up to the critical thinking academy that is TikTok?

Well it's where people post things that are not allowed in mainstream media but are actually happening as can be seen in the videos unless you think the people in them are actors?

I like Grays as a poster though he falls into the trap so many of you do on here, including @scaramanga on the other side. Of thinking what his "tribe" would believe and then just going along with it.

My inference that people that hold these extremist liberal views might have been bullied as children is to try and understand the psychology of people who avoid talking about issues or continually avoid subjects.

For example I think the amount of money spent housing asylum seekers when so many of the existing population or housed in poor housing conditions is wrong and we should be sorting out our own problems first. But anyone mentions it and it is the tories sold it all off or we are building enough which is avoiding the issue that more come then we can deal with.

I browse all the online papers every morning and I rarely if ever see articles questioning the issue in the Guardian. Yet more and more real people in the pub in the staff room in my health support groups or talking about it. People from different backgrounds different social and classes, people that like me voted Labour last time. Not far right nutters just the normal average guy.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think there is a MASSIVE CSE problem in this country and I am massively keen to see it dealt with, but I don't think its a intuitional problem in Muslims anymore more than I do think its a white men under 30 problem considering its them that commit them most crimes by a massive margin (including taking into account differential of % in our population). I think like it has always been since the dawn of time, its a MAN AND POWER issue.

Nope disagree massively here.

If you look at the stars I'm sure more crimes are committed by whites, you would expect this as for a few more years it is a white majority country.

But just like the police had an institutional racism problem and of course let's do the prefix thing that not all police officers are racist and not all police forces are racist. They had to take measures to counter what was a large problem.

It is clear that gangs, not individuals but gangs so that talks of cooperation were targeting non Muslims. Why did they not race Muslim girls?

It shows it was not a man walking down the street overcome with urges who raped the first girl he saw. Which and I'm not a lawyer but surely that makes it premeditated and when the were groups putting girls into vans then obviously it is more then one so is a gang.

I work with a Muslim lad so here is the bit to get your juices flowing, it is clear they are not all like that. But why when the were hundreds of racists in the MET do we say they have an institutional problem but when we have gangs of them and in different cities as well can people not admit to an institutional problem in Muslim communities. Yes not every one is but the fact that gangs of men in different cities decided to *struggle cuddle* non muslims. You can't admit to it being an institutional problem is just a bizarre and dangerous misguided political correctness.

I'm off out to the gym but look forward to carrying on the debate later.