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Silly McSilly Face said:
Thing is with "holding Farage to account" is that Davey expects Farage to get the same treatment as him from the BBC when Farage is the leader of a 2 year old party with hardly any comparative members, funding, and only a handful of MPs that were only elected last year. Since Reform now have control of some councils they will start to be "held to account" but they are not one of the main political parties. Their funding is a fraction of the Lib Dems.
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Lilbaz said:
Farage will be held to account more than anyone. If he's elected it will be mainly for one reason. If he doesn't get it under control his own party will out him.
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His entire political career was founded and based on leaving the EU. He sold that as having control of our borders and being able to limit immigration as a result (as well as the multitude of other benefits it was going to bring).

He never mentions Brexit now, and I don’t see it being mentioned to him in interviews.

Odd, as it was the entire raison d’être for him entering politics.
 
Lilbaz said:
Farage will be held to account more than anyone. If he's elected it will be mainly for one reason. If he doesn't get it under control his own party will out him.
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I have severe doubts he wants the top job, much more out there for him and profile as a disrupter than being the man, but more than happy to be proven wrong on that, would not be the first time I gauge the mood music wrong.

I think it will be interesting to see, strap lines and bold talk is all well and good, its par the political course, but saying you will stop boats etc is much easier than doing it..........As I keep saying, I have not see anyone come up with a plan for it yet that would work.........just as an example of policy
 
Mikey10 said:
His entire political career was founded and based on leaving the EU. He sold that as having control of our borders and being able to limit immigration as a result (as well as the multitude of other benefits it was going to bring).

He never mentions Brexit now, and I don’t see it being mentioned to him in interviews.

Odd, as it was the entire raison d’être for him entering politics.
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Not how most see it. Brexit was just one step in taking back control. But both the tories and labour don't seem to want to take the next step and have fudged the opportunity.
So now farage is talking about the next step of controlling our borders and having a governmrnt that works for the people of this country that they are supposed to represent.
A lot of people are seeing what ice are doing in america and want that here.
 
Grays_1890 said:
So yeh, maybe its just me but I think entry levels of £36k after 5 years of study for people with literally my life in their hands..........yep its not enough
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It's a difficult one. Drs should be well paid but are usually well rewarded financially during the lifetime of their career, other healthcare professionals who are also important are not. My parents for example, were nurses for 50 years. Did ok, were not poor but were never well off. If you have a limited pot of money it needs to be spread around fairly.
 
Mikey10 said:
I was pretty taken aback…just said something like, “How weird, I’ve just been listening to Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart discussing you on The Rest is Politics” and he laughed and said, “I’ll have to catch up with that!”

Unfortunately nothing similar has ever happened when I’ve been walking the dog and listening to PJ Harvey, The Smiths, Kate Bush, The Maccabees, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Springsteen… 😃
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Find it hard to forgive the Lib Dems for their part in Austerity. The consequences of which we are seeing now.

As for Starmer, he needs to remember he is now the PM not the Director of Public Prosecutions. He needs to quickly learn the art of politics. The toxic mix of looking incompetent, poor communication and lack of coherent narrative as well going to war with your own party will be his downfall. And sadly that path leads to Reform UK
 
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Robspur12 said:
It's a difficult one. Drs should be well paid but are usually well rewarded financially during the lifetime of their career, other healthcare professionals who are also important are not. My parents for example, were nurses for 50 years. Did ok, were not poor but were never well off. If you have a limited pot of money it needs to be spread around fairly.
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Of course and I think there are arguments for them to get more too, I am not saying or naïve to the limited pot, but I also think the pots spent badly too in many other areas.

The public need to play their part in all this, alot of the overspend in the NHS in this country is frankly down to fact we are making poor choices in life that impact our health and create strain on the system, so money that could be used elsewhere in the NHS is spent serving an obesity crisis.
 
Lilbaz said:
Farage will be held to account more than anyone. If he's elected it will be mainly for one reason. If he doesn't get it under control his own party will out him.
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And he will 'fake news' it and bloviate and blame everyone else and a large proportion of those who support him will continue to buy his BS.
 
Robspur12 said:
Find it hard to forgive the Lib Dems for their part in Austerity. The consequences of which we are seeing now.

As for Starmer, he needs to remember he is now the PM not the Director of Public Prosecutions. He needs to quickly learn the art of politics. The toxic mix of looking incompetent, poor communication and lack of coherent narrative as well going to war with your own party will be his downfall. And sadly that path leads to Reform UK
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The lobbyists also hold too much sway over him, but the more worrying thing is his tilt to the right. For every wingnut vote this garners, he will shed 10 times that in core labour voters.
 
Lilbaz said:
Not how most see it. Brexit was just one step in taking back control. But both the tories and labour don't seem to want to take the next step and have fudged the opportunity.
So now farage is talking about the next step of controlling our borders and having a governmrnt that works for the people of this country that they are supposed to represent.
A lot of people are seeing what ice are doing in america and want that here.
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The problem is that Brexit was never gonna be simple. It was never about making the very worst off in our society better off. It was not about the NHS. It made our economy weaker immediately. And the special friendship with the US became non existent.

It was a bad idea as none of the people selling it to the country had a plan. Not for Northern Ireland. Not for much.

In that sense, the people who supported it, in the vast majority were entirely uninformed. They got fooled by lies. And now all of us suffer.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The problem is that Brexit was never gonna be simple. It was never about making the very worst off in our society better off. It was not about the NHS. It made our economy weaker immediately. And the special friendship with the US became non existent.

It was a bad idea as none of the people selling it to the country had a plan. Not for Northern Ireland. Not for much.

In that sense, the people who supported it, in the vast majority were entirely uninformed. They got fooled by lies. And now all of us suffer.
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If your house is on fire you put the fire out. The plan for rebuilding is for tomorrow.
 
Mikey10 said:
His entire political career was founded and based on leaving the EU. He sold that as having control of our borders and being able to limit immigration as a result (as well as the multitude of other benefits it was going to bring).

He never mentions Brexit now, and I don’t see it being mentioned to him in interviews.

Odd, as it was the entire raison d’être for him entering politics.
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He was right. Brexit means we now have control of everything. And the competency or otherwise of our ministers is exposed for all to see. Can no longer say they have no choice but to allow huge numbers in. Its a policy decision.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Good news about finally lowering the voting age to 16. Feels a civilised move. I was much more engaged in politics between 16-18 than at any other time in my life.
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How's it a civilised move? You're not an adult. Most 16 year olds have never had to hold down a job, budget, "live in the real world". They can have all the idealism they want and none of the reality. You cannot drive a car at 16 as your immaturity of decision making would represent a threat to other people's safety - but we will give you the vote. F**k me, we are a really f**king bat-sh*t country
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
How's it a civilised move? You're not an adult. Most 16 year olds have never had to hold down a job, budget, "live in the real world". They can have all the idealism they want and none of the reality. You cannot drive a car at 16 as your immaturity of decision making would represent a threat to other people's safety - but we will give you the vote. F**k me, we are a really f**king bat-sh*t country
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It's on the assumption that the 'youth' automatically vote more for Labour than the Tories.

I think with the weaponisation of social media in politics Labour might regret this move: you can easily see how targeted messaging could sway those in early secondary school now away from the party in government by the time of the next election...
 
Robspur12 said:
In this case it's more like setting your own house on fire thinking you would be better off when the insurance payout comes through. Only to find out not only is there no payout but you didn't really understand the policy in the first place...
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From most peoples perspective the house had been on fire for a long time. It's why the vote went the way it did. It's why it became a vote in the first place.
 
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