Baleforce
Mark Falco
The other examples are of fans being banned for bad behaviour though right.
Ajax didn’t ban Marseille fans just because they were French.
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Racism in football
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The other examples are of fans being banned for bad behaviour though right.
Ajax didn’t ban Marseille fans just because they were French.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I don't disagree. But if a Russian team came to play in a largely Ukrainian area there would be a similar situation. But Russia has been banned from all major events. Israel has done worse and more than Russia. They've literally committed a genoicde and they have not been banned. Their sports teams will face this from people who oppose their states actions.
The reaction is not extraordinary and not about any faith. It's about Israel.
Baleforce
Mark Falco
Yes, but like you say, Russian teams were banned.
This shouldn't be up to national police forces to determine, if Tel Aviv are welcome in the tournament, then their fans should be treated the same way as others.
It's also wrong in my opinion to assume all Tel Aviv fans are complicit in the actions of the Israeli government, I'm sure there are Tel Aviv fans who aren't Israeli at all and would have attended the game. I'm not saying I don't understand it, just that I would like us (in the UK) to be better than this.
thfcsteff
Teddy Sheringham
Anti-semitism has been a massive issue for a long time. That is a fact. So has anti-Indian, anti-Pakistani, and anti-Asian. Also a fact.
You're in your late 60s and never witnessed any great racism outside of name-calling.
My Dad was racially abused at football numerous times; in the end he was forced to deck someone because they threatened him with physical violence. I saw Chelsea and West Ham NF attack black Spurs who were (it has to be said) ready for the fight because they knew it was coming. If you went a lot in the late 70s and early '80s, then you absolutely saw racism in the form of fighting and extreme abuse at football - unless you chose not to for whatever reason. Surely you remember what Chelsea was like when Ken Bates was running it? Christ, he wanted to electrify the fencing around the stands! You remember what Paul Cannoville suffered? Do you remember the abuse Chris Hughton, Garth Crooks, Ossie Ardiles and Ricky Villa got? Some of the times I had to run the fastest was because of NF West Ham attacking. I was a young teenager there for the game not the ruck. But it was always bubbling, especially going away, and the likes of Tyndall and Webster saw their opportunities to infiltrate certain clubs.
There's always the possibility that you think none of what I have outlined (factually - I was there and saw it) is nothing much, but I absolutely won't pass that judgement on you personally as I don't know you and would prefer to believe that like pretty mcuh anyone here, you find (and indeed found) such behavior vile.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Israeli teams should be nowhere near this competitions. Like the Russian teams. Like South Africa and sport during their apartheid period.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
I think they should be the people who determine
Its them who risk assess the threat and the danger to their staff and locals, if Maccabi come here and start trouble by calling death to Arabs and they become overwhelmed and local security is threatened then I think 100% its them who rightly make the call.
Being invited into a football comp does not transcend common sense
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Na it's more the boring "woe me" racism
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Fair enough. I don't agree with all of that but I see your points brother.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
This is my position.
veryoldspur
Bobby Zamora
You know as well as I do the first four examples are down to poorly behaved fans, the last one is antisemitism. This thread is about racism in football, and this is the worst example I can remember
Lost Mango
Steve Hodge
I thought the Tel Aviv fans were being banned for their poor behaviour in Amsterdam? Is it not?
Glenda's Legs
Jack Jull
I too thought that was one factor that fed into the decision.
Whatever happens now, and I expect the ban will be reversed, there has been so much publicity around the matter that whilst trouble may have been deemed a high risk initially, it's now pretty much a certainty.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Hahah and said like he or she is also being honest
Baleforce
Mark Falco
No, they have been “banned” because the police don’t think they will be safe.
There was some poor behaviour by their fans in Amsterdam, but I believe many more Ajax fans were arrested than Tel Aviv fans.
If the police feel Tel Aviv fans won’t be safe, surely it’s logical that the Villa fans should be banned too, and the game be played behind closed doors at a neutral venue.
If a persons safety on the UK streets is determined by where they were born, that’s a damning indictment on us.