Refereeing/ blaming referee

[scaramanga]

Who's gonna make that final decision, and what exactly is the right decision? Even after 100 replays, pundits and "experts" never agree! That tells me this isn't about getting it right or wrong, it's about the mentality in football, that it's always the ref that gets it wrong, never the players. It's the mentality that needs to change back to what it once was!! The referee makes the decision, and that's the END OF IT! No need to dwell on it! Get on with the game!

Don't listen to pundits - they're just stupid people that used to kick a football for a living.

In NFL there is almost never a situation in which replays cannot give you a pretty good idea of what happened. I might struggle to fully understand what I see in a replay on a dodgy stream, but how often do you watch a match in HD and find you can't make your mind up after a replay or two? It almost never happens.

 

[Modric THFC]

Clough complained about motd doing this in the 70s.

Ultimately it comes down ex players becoming pundits not wanting to critise other players. They just want an easy life in semi retirement. Referees are the easy target.

 

[parklane1]

Who's gonna make that final decision, and what exactly is the right decision? Even after 100 replays, pundits and "experts" never agree! That tells me this isn't about getting it right or wrong, it's about the mentality in football, that it's always the ref that gets it wrong, never the players. It's the mentality that needs to change back to what it once was!! The referee makes the decision, and that's the END OF IT! No need to dwell on it! Get on with the game!

Amen to that.

 

[Neymar]

The referee makes the decision, and that's the END OF IT! No need to dwell on it! Get on with the game!

its very difficult to have this view in the heat of the moment, if you feel that a poor refereering decision has cost you the game. and anyway i think its good for the game that referee's performances are publically scrutinised. it makes them aware that lazy and poor performances by them will not be tolerated. and ultimately makes them better refs. which is what everyone wants at the end of the day

 

[Baleforce]

you can't have results of such magnitude decided on the opinions of a single human, that's insane

 

[braineclipse]

Who's gonna make that final decision, and what exactly is the right decision? Even after 100 replays, pundits and "experts" never agree! That tells me this isn't about getting it right or wrong, it's about the mentality in football, that it's always the ref that gets it wrong, never the players. It's the mentality that needs to change back to what it once was!! The referee makes the decision, and that's the END OF IT! No need to dwell on it! Get on with the game!

You really think that's realistic considering the sporting and financial consequences of some of those decisions?

How do you make it "the end of it"? How do you change that attitude? I really don't think it's likely.

 

[jts1882]

I think the position of the authorities on mistakes made by the referee undermines them and loses them respect. Let the referees admit mistakes and reverse decisions after the match. This insistence on not reversing decisions because the referee "saw" the incident (when he obviously didn't see the key part) just makes him look bad. Infallibility should be left to the pope. Let the referees be human and admit mistakes.

Then help them on the field. Some form of video review is a no-brainer. It's stupid say no technology can correct 100% of the mistakes so we will keep all the mistakes. If technology can reduce 50% or 90% of the mistakes the game will be better.

I think rugby has some good ideas that help respect for the referee. If a player pushes the referee, he is gone, no questions asked (as in the NFL or NBA). Only allow the captain to question the referee, then he can shoo the mob away and take action if they don't. The reversal of penalty decisions and moving the ball 10 yards/metres work well in rugby. If a team gets a free kick outside the area and their players start question the cards given, then give the free kick to the other side. They lose the goalscoring opportunity. Similarly with corners, reverse it to a goal kick. Managers would soon tell players to stop complaining, especially if they lost a penalty. Moving the position of the free kick isn't such a clear advantage in football, but would help when the kick is 30-40 yards out. For close free kicks, 20-25yds, perhaps the ref could move the wall further back if the defenders complain. Give the ref an array of sanctions like these and players will be more careful.

As already mentioned, the appeal system works well in many sports and overcomes the disrupting continuity argument. In truth we lose enough time when the referee is dealing with scuffling players at corners and free kicks, so if the players show more respect when told what to do then we could gain time that can be used for reviews.

 

[Kandi1977]

I think the position of the authorities on mistakes made by the referee undermines them and loses them respect. Let the referees admit mistakes and reverse decisions after the match. This insistence on not reversing decisions because the referee "saw" the incident (when he obviously didn't see the key part) just makes him look bad. Infallibility should be left to the pope. Let the referees be human and admit mistakes.

Then help them on the field. Some form of video review is a no-brainer. It's stupid say no technology can correct 100% of the mistakes so we will keep all the mistakes. If technology can reduce 50% or 90% of the mistakes the game will be better.

I think rugby has some good ideas that help respect for the referee. If a player pushes the referee, he is gone, no questions asked (as in the NFL or NBA). Only allow the captain to question the referee, then he can shoo the mob away and take action if they don't. The reversal of penalty decisions and moving the ball 10 yards/metres work well in rugby. If a team gets a free kick outside the area and their players start question the cards given, then give the free kick to the other side. They lose the goalscoring opportunity. Similarly with corners, reverse it to a goal kick. Managers would soon tell players to stop complaining, especially if they lost a penalty. Moving the position of the free kick isn't such a clear advantage in football, but would help when the kick is 30-40 yards out. For close free kicks, 20-25yds, perhaps the ref could move the wall further back if the defenders complain. Give the ref an array of sanctions like these and players will be more careful.

As already mentioned, the appeal system works well in many sports and overcomes the disrupting continuity argument. In truth we lose enough time when the referee is dealing with scuffling players at corners and free kicks, so if the players show more respect when told what to do then we could gain time that can be used for reviews.

Doesn't happen very often that the team that gets the free-kick start complaining about it! Really not a problem as such. At least I haven't seen a lot of it. Wall sneaking forward is almost gone now with the shaving foam, but some refs are doing it wrong. The wall always lines up about 3 feet from the ball, and most refs then start shoving the wall backwards and then spray the line. They NEVER get them 10 yards away that way. Instead, just walk the 10 yards, spray the line behind the players and make them move behind it.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Who is in charge of the Camera's / Replays? would the Premier League take over as I am not sure I would want Sky providing the TV for the review.

Also if you need 5-6 replays (and for offsides imposing the white line) then the ref / lino has got it right no matter the outcome in my view.

Also try to do somethign to stop people diving, going down easily "there is contact there so its a freekick" is bolx - the contact should be enough to make the player go down - in essence get back to 1990's level of contact but not as far back as 1986.

 

[scaramanga]

Instead, just walk the 10 yards, spray the line behind the players and make them move behind it.

This drives me insane. They all do it the same way so there's clearly been some kind of diktat from the FA on how to go about it - it's fudging departed.

Just pace 10 yards, spray the line and tell the players that anyone with a toe over the line after the count of 3 will get a yellow.

 

[Baleforce]

This drives me insane. They all do it the same way so there's clearly been some kind of diktat from the FA on how to go about it - it's fudgeing departed.

Just pace 10 yards, spray the line and tell the players that anyone with a toe over the line after the count of 3 will get a red.

fixed

 

[jts1882]

Doesn't happen very often that the team that gets the free-kick start complaining about it! Really not a problem as such. At least I haven't seen a lot of it. Wall sneaking forward is almost gone now with the shaving foam, but some refs are doing it wrong. The wall always lines up about 3 feet from the ball, and most refs then start shoving the wall backwards and then spray the line. They NEVER get them 10 yards away that way. Instead, just walk the 10 yards, spray the line behind the players and make them move behind it.

The team getting the free kick doesn't really have much to complain about, but neither should they in rugby. Yet they do sometimes and it's a useful tool for the referee. For football, I was think about players demanding yellow/red cards (which I hate) as well as the free kick. Take the free kick and shut up. The idea is to get the players out of the referees face and get on with the game. Admittedly, the defence will be more likely to complain so we need other sanctions to shut them up. Moving the freekick forward or perhaps allowing the team with the free kick to move it 10 yards in any direction (closer or more more central, perhaps slightly back to help get enough dip). Somehow the players need to be concerned that they will be disadvantaged competitively if the complain.

You are right that the refs seem to spray just in front of the players while trying to push them back. You idea is far easier and more effective. And if they don't move back, then move the line further away, say 15 yards, where the wall will be much less effective.

 

[camspur]

There is one pure and simple way to improve referees, get them to apply the letter of the law nothing more nothing less.

Once referees do that players will start having a little more respect.

 

[Kandi1977]

You really think that's realistic considering the sporting and financial consequences of some of those decisions?

How do you make it "the end of it"? How do you change that attitude? I really don't think it's likely.

It's a lot to do with how and what the focus is on. It's about changing the mentality and focus of players, fans and BROADCASTERS. For instance look at how they deal with pitch invaders now. It gets no attention now, and isn't really an issue anymore.
If commentators and football shows start to consentrate on the GAME instead of just showing endless replays of every ghod dhamn decision, we'd all be better off!

 

[Neymar]

It's a lot to do with how and what the focus is on. It's about changing the mentality and focus of players, fans and BROADCASTERS. For instance look at how they deal with pitch invaders now. It gets no attention now, and isn't really an issue anymore.
If commentators and football shows start to consentrate on the GAME instead of just showing endless replays of every ghod dhamn decision, we'd all be better off!

but the performance of the referee has a big impact on the outcomes of games. so any complete analysis of a game is incomplete if the referee's performance is excluded.

 

[Kandi1977]

but the performance of the referee has a big impact on the outcomes of games. so any complete analysis of a game is incomplete if the referee's performance is excluded.

So is the case in almost every other sport also, but the referees aren't the main focus point in other sports!

 

[Baleforce]

So is the case in almost every other sport also, but the referees aren't the main focus point in other sports!

they are when they fudge up, look at the column inches and pixels spent on the Bryant football action in the NFL playoffs

 

[Kandi1977]

It's nowhere near as bad as it is in football. Football is quite literally in a different league when it comes to focus on referees!

 

[Baleforce]

it's a question of scale not focus

you get more officiating mistakes in a single PL game than you do in an entire test series or Wimbledon championship

it's not solely the fault of referees, although some are poor and swayed by instinct and environment rather than being the emotionless robots they should be, the system accepts mediocrity, we should have 15 officials at pitch level every game, 30 more watching TV screens, all with direct access to the referees earpiece, everything should be monitored and acted upon instantly, every player should have a pair of officiating eyes on him for every second of every game, players should be chipped like the ball to automate offside decisions, there is so much money in the game lets use that to take away the controversy

 

[Neymar]

So is the case in almost every other sport also, but the referees aren't the main focus point in other sports!

how many other sports are their where the referees constantly have so much influence on the outcome of the game? of all the big spectator sports, i cant think of any that comes close to football