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Trixster said:
I don't want agents to be in the wrong, this has nothing to do with some hopeful agenda. This is about trained personnel acting as such.

He is, or at least hopefully is, firearms trained. He is also trained, again hopefully, to assess situations and how to control himself in said situations.

He has exercised no restraint at all, simply just gone for the gun the second the wheels started to move. He had enough time, imo, to move and handle the situation differently.

If he was being driven at from 100yds away at high speed then yes, I would expect shots to be fired - and sure as brick he would not stand in the way of the vehicle but seek cover to fire from. She has started to move from a standing position, on fairly poor road condition, from about 5-10ft - that is not being driven at in any manner of speed.

Do you remember the two British lads (Army) dragged from their car in Ireland by a baying mob who thought they were loyalists?
Those lads were armed, those lads were trained, and they were certainly in dire peril - they didn't shoot anyone, they did discharge their guns into the air in a vain attempt to get out of the situation.

That is control/restraint.
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Agreed the difference being the military are trained to stay calm when all hell is breaking loose. I have my doubts these guys are sufficiently trained to deal with the situation they were confronted with.

I remember those soldiers they took a wrong turn & found themselves in the middle of a an IRA funeral. They were beaten & shot all filmed if my memory serves. RIP some of us won't forget
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Quite the mental gymnast I see! The car was moving al at about 5mph and the guy was never on any real danger. And by the time he shot her he was horizontal to the drivers door ie well out of harms way.

This is cold blooded murder and should be treated as such
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If it was a 5 year old girl that had put her hand on the door and started opening it when the driver decided to drive off what would be your opinion of the actions of the driver and risk/danger calculation then? "Well the 5 year old was never in any real danger"
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
If it was a 5 year old girl that had put her hand on the door and started opening it when the driver decided to drive off what would be your opinion of the actions of the driver and risk/danger calculation then?
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Yeh because a 5 year old kid isn't trained to defuse situations like this. What a weird weird take.

How would a cop in the UK act without the aid of a Gun? Maybe remove the hand? Maybe let the panic stop and then deal with it? I've had an uber drive off at speed with hand on the door and its a fairly natural reaction to let go of a handle....or is that beyond training?.

The idea you shoot a woman in the head 3 times based on whats in that video is extreme, it was a standing start, she was not ploughing through them like whats being made out.
 
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kb 1984 said:
Agreed the difference being the military are trained to stay calm when all hell is breaking loose. I have my doubts these guys are sufficiently trained to deal with the situation they were confronted with.

I remember those soldiers they took a wrong turn & found themselves in the middle of a an IRA funeral. They were beaten & shot all filmed if my memory serves. RIP some of us won't forget
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The fundamental question I would ask also is what would have been the lesser of two evils and less controversial and right course of action to take?

- Letting her go, logging her number plate, turning up on her doorstep and arresting her for what she did

- Shooting her
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
This is like the Chris Kaba shooting in the UK. A vehicle is a weapon. A very powerful and lethal one. This is recognised in criminal and civil law. In personal injury cases involving vehicles colliding with pedestrians UK law recognises that the fault is always heavily weighted towards the driver and the established case precent for that actually cites the words "a driver is in command of a lethal weapon".

When officers are engaging with a person in control of a vehicle which then moves when they are in close proximity following a command to stop/take hands off the wheel, they have effectively been engaged with a weapon. That is protocol and that is the law here and in the US and people jump to conclusions based on snippets of footage and 3rd hand accounts. It will be the law that judges whether the officer's use of force was commensurate to the threat and whether they followed protocol. Ultimately, what you have here is yet another person that decided to drive their vehicle when commanded by armed law enforcement officers to stop......they created their own death situation no matter how much fault/blame you place on the officer - she is the one that has forced a split second judgement call in a tense and volatile situation.

Footage clearly shows she drove off when the agent had their hand on her door attempting to open it so the agent is 100% at risk/in danger at that moment and has effectively been attacked. Their response being proportionate to the risk will be examined now by the law
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I think part of US law enforcement training is shooting at the driver of a moving vehicle is not allowed.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Man, you have really glugged down that Kool Aide. There can only be two explanations for that take. Either you have brick in your eyes, or you support state sanctioned murder! One of the most disgusting posts I have ever read on here. you should be ashamed of yourself!
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What that an office defended himself when a car was driven at him. Maybe he should have aimed at the tyres I dont know I have never gone through armed response training, I have also never had a car driven at me thankfully. Neither would I ever drive a car at someone.

Stop trying to manufacture controversy for political ends. If she did not drive at someone she would still be alive.
 
LutonSpurs said:
She didn't mention Muslims but yeah cool. Is this what you want in the UK?
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I want to see an end to the ridiculous pandering we do in this country and across Europe to the Islamic community. A community that has done so much to harm western countries.

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Anything wrong with the above video? Never is it seems for you. You can try and laugh it off by saying I have gone far right or I am brain washed. But more and more us see this all the time across the West.

Diversity is our strength right. Well I disagree, it is destroying the country and I can only guess as to why you never condemn it.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Quite the mental gymnast I see! The car was moving al at about 5mph and the guy was never on any real danger. And by the time he shot her he was horizontal to the drivers door ie well out of harms way.

This is cold blooded murder and should be treated as such
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I disagree, had she stopped then I doubt she would have been shot, but she did not stop so we won't ever know.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Not saying Starmer is good but he’s better than trump and farage.

The people who were locked up were locked up for inciting racial hatred which led to people trying to murder illegal migrants and attacking random black and brown people in the street.

My only regret is that they didn’t lock up the ringleaders like farage or Katie Hopkins

And yeah we should boot that Egyptian guy out straight away, there’s no place for his sort here
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In what sense were Farage and Hopkins the ring leaders? Because they criticised the hotels.

It is like saying the ones in this country who don't confront Islamists are Islamists themselves.

Lucy Connelly was not inciting people to burn down hotels she said she didn't care whether it burned down. Loads more being arrested all the time for social media posts in stasi Britain. Will it be ok if reform come in and arrest you for some of your quite frankly obscene posts on here(just my opinion that they are obscene)
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
This is like the Chris Kaba shooting in the UK. A vehicle is a weapon. A very powerful and lethal one. This is recognised in criminal and civil law. In personal injury cases involving vehicles colliding with pedestrians UK law recognises that the fault is always heavily weighted towards the driver and the established case precent for that actually cites the words "a driver is in command of a lethal weapon".

When officers are engaging with a person in control of a vehicle which then moves when they are in close proximity following a command to stop/take hands off the wheel, they have effectively been engaged with a weapon. That is protocol and that is the law here and in the US and people jump to conclusions based on snippets of footage and 3rd hand accounts. It will be the law that judges whether the officer's use of force was commensurate to the threat and whether they followed protocol. Ultimately, what you have here is yet another person that decided to drive their vehicle when commanded by armed law enforcement officers to stop......they created their own death situation no matter how much fault/blame you place on the officer - she is the one that has forced a split second judgement call in a tense and volatile situation.

Footage clearly shows she drove off when the agent had their hand on her door attempting to open it so the agent is 100% at risk/in danger at that moment and has effectively been attacked. Their response being proportionate to the risk will be examined now by the law
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The path of 'examination by law' in itself is a worry when it comes to this administration.....plus Vance is banging on about 'federal immunity' as a starter.
 
For anyone who thinks the ice shooting wasn’t murder please watch this analysis of the incident starting at about 2 mins 26 seconds into the video below.

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Danishfurniturelover said:
In what sense were Farage and Hopkins the ring leaders? Because they criticised the hotels.

It is like saying the ones in this country who don't confront Islamists are Islamists themselves.

Lucy Connelly was not inciting people to burn down hotels she said she didn't care whether it burned down. Loads more being arrested all the time for social media posts in stasi Britain. Will it be ok if reform come in and arrest you for some of your quite frankly obscene posts on here(just my opinion that they are obscene)
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Really what obscene posts exactly?
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
What that an office defended himself when a car was driven at him. Maybe he should have aimed at the tyres I dont know I have never gone through armed response training, I have also never had a car driven at me thankfully. Neither would I ever drive a car at someone.

Stop trying to manufacture controversy for political ends. If she did not drive at someone she would still be alive.
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He had managed to step aside of the threat, hence why he was able to get shots off into the side window. It only stands to reason that his life would be at threat had he shot through the front window, face on. There is zero threat if you are able to shoot someone through the side window of a car.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I want to see an end to the ridiculous pandering we do in this country and across Europe to the Islamic community. A community that has done so much to harm western countries.

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Anything wrong with the above video? Never is it seems for you. You can try and laugh it off by saying I have gone far right or I am brain washed. But more and more us see this all the time across the West.

Diversity is our strength right. Well I disagree, it is destroying the country and I can only guess as to why you never condemn it.
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I’d agree this guy needs to be prosecuted and locked up
 
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