Sick sick world what is wrong with people

[Silly McSilly Face]

Yet jumping to his defence and making judgement that someone likely deserved to be shot dead isn't??

Given you are only privy to the same evidence we are, you are massively part of the problem your protesting about, just that you have picked another side

Hmmm, what have i said? Have i jumped to their defence? I said the law will need to examine whether their actions were proportionate. BUT, from experience i know the protocol in those situations and i can tell you that the person shot was in control of a vehicle.

That the vehicle is capable of inflicting a life changing injury even at slow speed (if you run over a law enforcement officer's foot in one of those SUVs even at 5 mph their career is likely over.

That these were not the politicised Trump agents people are seeing them as. He was probably an ICE ageny before he was sworn in. Do you think he went down there thinking "oh yeah i'm here and i'm going to shoot some random woman and i'm proper MAGA and i'm loving it" or do you think he's just a bloke standing on that street in the freezing cold getting f*cking abuse and sh*t from protestors because he's just doing his job?

There was a clear order to get out of the vehicle. So yeah, at the point that you start driving, like the drug dealers in police camera action that drive off when they're pulled over, then crash their car into a lampost during the chase, you're creating the circumstances of your own doom.

It doesn't hurt to be respectful and obey the law. "You wanna come for us big boy, you want some?" Was said just before the incident so again goes to the fact that this wasn't some peaceful woman going about her business inocently that just got randomly murdered by the cops, this was someone that was armed with a large SUV capable of inflicting life changing injuries at low speeds, acting emotionally, confrontationally and aggressively and failing to follow commands.

 

[kb 1984]

I don’t know why I even bother, but it’s hard for me to comprehend how anyone could watch the videos of that and justify the use of lethal force. Ending someone’s life for that. If someone came at me with a car with that trajectory (basically turning away from me) I would jump out of the way like any sane person would.

You Lefties are all the same sticking up for victims. Unfortunately that's not how the police work in the states they react then ask questions later seems to be the general rule. which in this case has led to murder

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I don't doubt it and I could have made a claim myself I am sure, but no one died and or needed to be shot in mine or your examples

No one is shot in the UK or other countries when these situations are needed to be defused.

And I can't remember anyone able to defy physics by shooting someone side on when feeling a threat of being run over - head on

But there we go

Er no one is shot in the UK or other countries in the same situation? Absolute gonads. In fact, very similar incident occurred very recently in the UK. Armed police stopped a car driven by a man called Chris Kaba. He did not have a weapon on him, but he refused to get out the car and then attempted to drive away (at low speed). One of the officers fired their weapon and he died at the wheel.

The officer was charged with murder but axquitted. Because he was actually following protocol and every other officer that was there testified that if he hadn't fired the shot they were about to

You've acknowledged that driving off when someone has their hand on your car opening your door is an aggressive act in the law and it is reasonable that the law sees it as aggravated assault.

So it is therefore also reasonable is it not to at least listen to the argument that this is a law enforcement officer dealing with an a person intentionally acting in a confrontational manner (just before the incident a woman in the footage believed to be her wife says something along the lines of "you want some big boy, come and get it" so this is not a peaceful confrontation) in controm of a lethal weapon and refusing to follow reasonable commands. It is standard protocol to ask someone in these situations to get out of the vehicle to remove danger to yourself, bystanders and the person in question. That is protocol.

If a person drives off when you have the hand on the door or are in anywhere near close proximity - gloves are off and you have absolute right to use reasonable force to swiftly bring the rapidly escalating incident to a stop taking into account swift tactical assessment of danger to surrounding people including bystanders, other law enforcement officers and crowds of protestors and if that means immediateky incapacitating the driver ...again that is part of protocol. The officer will be examined by the law in terms of their account of the rationale behind their actions and the evidence in terms of whether their actions were ressonable.

Being honest given training, im not sure i'd have done differently in the same situation

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

Clearly these goons cannot tell their left from their right. The murderer was standing to the left of the car, but the driver turns to the right, away from him. So where was the threat to his safety again?

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

The replies here just confirm all I have said about X and this country, we are descending back into the dark ages where social media is a safe space for the return of terms like "P4ki"

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Every fascist maggot has become emboldened. Makes me weep to think my grandfather spent 1940 to 45 shooting the bastards and now racist scum bags are everywhere in Britain.

 

[kb 1984]

Er no one is shot in the UK or other countries in the same situation? Absolute gonads. In fact, very similar incident occurred very recently in the UK. Armed police stopped a car driven by a man called Chris Kaba. He did not have a weapon on him, but he refused to get out the car and then attempted to drive away (at low speed). One of the officers fired their weapon and he died at the wheel.

The officer was charged with murder but axquitted. Because he was actually following protocol and every other officer that was there testified that if he hadn't fired the shot they were about to

You've acknowledged that driving off when someone has their hand on your car opening your door is an aggressive act in the law and it is reasonable that the law sees it as aggravated assault.

So it is therefore also reasonable is it not to at least listen to the argument that this is a law enforcement officer dealing with an a person intentionally acting in a confrontational manner (just before the incident a woman in the footage believed to be her wife says something along the lines of "you want some big boy, come and get it" so this is not a peaceful confrontation) in controm of a lethal weapon and refusing to follow reasonable commands. It is standard protocol to ask someone in these situations to get out of the vehicle to remove danger to yourself, bystanders and the person in question. That is protocol.

If a person drives off when you have the hand on the door or are in anywhere near close proximity - gloves are off and you have absolute right to use reasonable force to swiftly bring the rapidly escalating incident to a stop taking into account swift tactical assessment of danger to surrounding people including bystanders, other law enforcement officers and crowds of protestors and if that means immediateky incapacitating the driver ...again that is part of protocol. The officer will be examined by the law in terms of their account of the rationale behind their actions and the evidence in terms of whether their actions were ressonable.

Being honest given training, im not sure i'd have done differently in the same situation

Chris Kaba was known to belong to a violent gang & police were looking for him because he was believed to be carrying a gun. When kaba was located he rammed an unmarked police car he then drove towards a police officer who fired a single round that killed Kaba. So nothing like what happened in the states.

Regardless of what her partner says it doesn't justify killing someone. If you mouth off get in your car & I shoot your wife it's your fault for mouthing off right.

I have watched it multiple times & in my mind there is no justification for shooting her. You can make as many excuses as you like he shot because he was poorly trained a well trained officer de-escalates not makes it worse by re acting the way he did. He needlsley killed someone.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Chris Kaba was known to belong to a violent gang & police were looking for him because he was believed to be carrying a gun. When kaba was located he rammed an unmarked police car he then drove towards a police officer who fired a single round that killed Kaba. So nothing like what happened in the states.

Regardless of what her partner says it doesn't justify killing someone. If you mouth off get in your car & I shoot your wife it's your fault for mouthing off right.

I have watched it multiple times & in my mind there is no justification for shooting her. You can make as many excuses as you like he shot because he was poorly trained a well trained officer de-escalates not makes it worse by re acting the way he did. He needlsley killed someone.

Thanks saved me the bother, Silly probably worked for ICE and had the training as he has with every other example of jobs and scenarios, just waiting for that to come up next

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Hmmm, what have i said? Have i jumped to their defence? I said the law will need to examine whether their actions were proportionate. BUT, from experience i know the protocol in those situations and i can tell you that the person shot was in control of a vehicle.

That the vehicle is capable of inflicting a life changing injury even at slow speed (if you run over a law enforcement officer's foot in one of those SUVs even at 5 mph their career is likely over.

That these were not the politicised Trump agents people are seeing them as. He was probably an ICE ageny before he was sworn in. Do you think he went down there thinking "oh yeah i'm here and i'm going to shoot some random woman and i'm proper MAGA and i'm loving it" or do you think he's just a bloke standing on that street in the freezing cold getting f*cking abuse and sh*t from protestors because he's just doing his job?

There was a clear order to get out of the vehicle. So yeah, at the point that you start driving, like the drug dealers in police camera action that drive off when they're pulled over, then crash their car into a lampost during the chase, you're creating the circumstances of your own doom.

It doesn't hurt to be respectful and obey the law. "You wanna come for us big boy, you want some?" Was said just before the incident so again goes to the fact that this wasn't some peaceful woman going about her business inocently that just got randomly murdered by the cops, this was someone that was armed with a large SUV capable of inflicting life changing injuries at low speeds, acting emotionally, confrontationally and aggressively and failing to follow commands.

You could have saved yourself 5 paragraphs and said "I am going to take tosh" and saved the virtual Ink.

Its like having an argument with Mr Benn, you have had more jobs and experiences than the Indeed website.

The fact you are trying to attribute words she didn't say to justify the shooting just looks weak and pathetic. I will just leave it there, I can't be doing arguments with police cos play fantasists

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Chris Kaba was known to belong to a violent gang & police were looking for him because he was believed to be carrying a gun. When kaba was located he rammed an unmarked police car he then drove towards a police officer who fired a single round that killed Kaba. So nothing like what happened in the states.

Regardless of what her partner says it doesn't justify killing someone. If you mouth off get in your car & I shoot your wife it's your fault for mouthing off right.

I have watched it multiple times & in my mind there is no justification for shooting her. You can make as many excuses as you like he shot because he was poorly trained a well trained officer de-escalates not makes it worse by re acting the way he did. He needlsley killed someone.

No. Its completely the same Silly sausage said.

If only he could get the 'Big boy' quotes correct....at least he finally attributed it to the ladies wife.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

You could have saved yourself 5 paragraphs and said "I am going to take tosh" and saved the virtual Ink.

Its like having an argument with Mr Benn, you have had more jobs and experiences than the Indeed website.

The fact you are trying to attribute words she didn't say to justify the shooting just looks weak and pathetic. I will just leave it there, I can't be doing arguments with police cos play fantasists

'Big boy' got the arse and forgot all his training.

Its telling that his two colleagues, to the side of the vehicle, didn't draw their weapons...... especially as one probably thought he was a victim of aggravated assault

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

'Big boy' got the arse and forgot all his training.

Its telling that his two colleagues, to the side of the vehicle, didn't draw their weapons.

And he that did shoot was also filming with his iphone, such was the threat he managed to carry on with the phone in one hand, get out the way and shoot her with the other through the side window??? What a guy

 

[scaramanga]

To see if she was still alive?

You have absolutely zero humanity, have you?

A crime scene where the potential criminal is allowed to wander about, down to the crashed vehicle. No one securing the scene at all anyway because ....oh that is right, these are not policemen and not legally capable of securing a crime scene as they have no authority to do anything beyond immigration issues. They have no authority or rights at a protest or after an incident. So they have no right to prevent a physician attending the scene beyond their guns and bully boy tactics.


These armed people are NOT law enforcement officers. They have NO authority on the streets. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Tell me you don't know how US federal law works without....blah, blah, blah.

Just because you read it on Tiktok, it doesn't make it true.

Obstructing a federal agent is a federal crime (18 USC 111). Resisting arrest (refusing to get out of the car when told to) is also considered under the same statute.

All federal agents can arrest for federal crimes. If you think about the logic of it, that's obvious. Can you imagine a situation where a federal agent is tasked with arresting someone but they have to phone up their boss and say "Sorry boss, I had to abandon the chase, some soccer mom parked her SUV in the way.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

All federal agents can arrest for federal crimes. If you think about the logic of it, that's obvious. Can you imagine a situation where a federal agent is tasked with arresting someone but they have to phone up their boss and say "Sorry boss, I had to abandon the chase, some soccer mom parked her SUV in the way.

Equally powers could be focused on the job at hand and therefore you could argue that given the other ICE agents had managed to pass her car those that decided to engage, who could have also passed given the footage decided to go off piste and off order? Seems zero reason to bother engaging with the woman and it could have easily been left for domestic police to handle

If this woman was an immigrant evading detention from ICE then I think there is a much stronger argument for the actions, as it is, its excessive force IMO.

 

[scaramanga]

Equally powers could be focused on the job at hand and therefore you could argue that given the other ICE agents had managed to pass her car those that decided to engage, who could have also passed given the footage decided to go off piste and off order? Seems zero reason to bother engaging with the woman and it could have easily been left for domestic police to handle

If this woman was an immigrant evading detention from ICE then I think there is a much stronger argument for the actions, as it is, its excessive force IMO.

Start of the first video published, she drives forward at the passing car. Had it been going slower there was a decent chance she'd have connected.

Take away all the silly emotional nonsense and look at what happened. A woman intentionally parked her far in front of armed agents in a deliberate attempt to stop them from carrying out their job.

She then refused to do what armed officers were legally (don't get your legal opinions from Tiktok) telling her to do.

Then she accelerates towards (at or near to is debatable from what we've seen, but the bodycam certainly looks like at) one of the armed officers.

There's rarely been someone so deserving of a Darwin award.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Start of the first video published, she drives forward at the passing car. Had it been going slower there was a decent chance she'd have connected.

Take away all the silly emotional nonsense and look at what happened. A woman intentionally parked her far in front of armed agents in a deliberate attempt to stop them from carrying out their job.

She then refused to do what armed officers were legally (don't get your legal opinions from Tiktok) telling her to do.

Then she accelerates towards (at or near to is debatable from what we've seen, but the bodycam certainly looks like at) one of the armed officers.

There's rarely been someone so deserving of a Darwin award.

She literally brakes and waves the cars through FFS hahaha, you are just one of those who will just ignore anything you see

17 secons in, arm out the window waving the car through and encourages the next through, actually she waves the car that stops though 3 times

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. I have literally seen worse here at a roundabout, but yeh, shoot her because she is a "crazy leftist"

Well done you have literally just reinvented physics despite seeing the video, corner bending bullets ey

And you have the audacity to parrot on about Darwin.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Chris Kaba was known to belong to a violent gang & police were looking for him because he was believed to be carrying a gun. When kaba was located he rammed an unmarked police car he then drove towards a police officer who fired a single round that killed Kaba. So nothing like what happened in the states.

Regardless of what her partner says it doesn't justify killing someone. If you mouth off get in your car & I shoot your wife it's your fault for mouthing off right.

I have watched it multiple times & in my mind there is no justification for shooting her. You can make as many excuses as you like he shot because he was poorly trained a well trained officer de-escalates not makes it worse by re acting the way he did. He needlsley killed someone.

The officers were not looking for Kaba because he was believed to be carrying a gun. They didn't know Kaba was the driver nor did they know his background at the time. If you're going to comment on police tactical doctrine and situations can you at least get your facts straight.

The ICE agent followed protocol. The end use of force - he will have to articulate a rationale for his actions in his report and whether it was proportionate to the situation will be judged by his superiors and if necessary the law.

The officer was assaulted with a weapon after a clear command to get out of the vehicle that was not obeyed following an aggressive confrontation. Reasonable use of force was justified under protocol from the moment the vehicle started moving. From that point in time that use of force was necessitated by the woman's actions. Whatever the final outcome in terms of proportionality of approach she is at fault for what happened - if she'd obeyed the reasonable commands she wouldn't be dead.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

You could have saved yourself 5 paragraphs and said "I am going to take tosh" and saved the virtual Ink.

Its like having an argument with Mr Benn, you have had more jobs and experiences than the Indeed website.

The fact you are trying to attribute words she didn't say to justify the shooting just looks weak and pathetic. I will just leave it there, I can't be doing arguments with police cos play fantasists

From the BBC:

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

From the BBC:

You know that was the woman outside the car, not the driver, filming on a mobile phone? I can grab that video for you and make you look stupid???

She also said "go get your lunch" or something equally threatening. Ohhh The horror

FFS, if this is the threshold for shooting people, a Karen with a phone and someone spooked in a car who was previously waving ICE agents through, then GHod help us.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

The officers were not looking for Kaba because he was believed to be carrying a gun. They didn't know Kaba was the driver nor did they know his background at the time. If you're going to comment on police tactical doctrine and situations can you at least get your facts straight.

He was in a car known to the police and suspected to have been used in an earlier gun offence, he was literally boxed in by cars and was attempting to ram out of it to evade arrest. He was also a member of a highly known gang.

Also


So yeh not the same as you fan boying for the Proud Boy approach to dealing with things


Your profile name is certainly fitting you this morning

 

[kb 1984]

The officers were not looking for Kaba because he was believed to be carrying a gun. They didn't know Kaba was the driver nor did they know his background at the time. If you're going to comment on police tactical doctrine and situations can you at least get your facts straight.

The ICE agent followed protocol. The end use of force - he will have to articulate a rationale for his actions in his report and whether it was proportionate to the situation will be judged by his superiors and if necessary the law.

The officer was assaulted with a weapon after a clear command to get out of the vehicle that was not obeyed following an aggressive confrontation. Reasonable use of force was justified under protocol from the moment the vehicle started moving. From that point in time that use of force was necessitated by the woman's actions. Whatever the final outcome in terms of proportionality of approach she is at fault for what happened - if she'd obeyed the reasonable commands she wouldn't be dead.

On the evening of the shooting, Kaba was driving a car that officers believed was linked to a "firearms incident" the previous day. The police stopped the car, and armed police then approached on foot. Kaba then rammed an unmarked police vehicle. An armed officer fired a single round at Kaba through the car windscreen. Kaba was taken to hospital but died of his injuries. Which bit is wrong & how does it relate to what happened in the states

You are an ice agent & know all there protocols well done. I call flimflam if you are a policeman have you ever walked the beat or dealt with harden criminals. I ask because my old man worked at Hornsey nick all his life.joined at 18 retired at 57 even he would agree that was murder.