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The Goon Thread

Bedfordspurs said:
His was really odd when you got into it
Basically he admitted having ex with a girl
He didn’t k so here she and she admitted she falsified everything to be “older”
The piece knew that and even her parents did. I believe her parents were the ones who made it drop (according to my Everton mates) because they thought it was all wrong
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It was a setup. She was 15 at the time, looked older, in a nightclub, and was sent to entrap him. Just about any single bloke would've fallen for it. He was then blackmailed and went to the police. Heard as well the parents wanted it dropped.
 
DubSpur said:
It was a setup. She was 15 at the time, looked older, in a nightclub, and was sent to entrap him. Just about any single bloke would've fallen for it. He was then blackmailed and went to the police. Heard as well the parents wanted it dropped.
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Yeah that’s how I understood it
 
Glenda's Legs said:
There’s no easy answer to this. I do think allegations of rape/sexual assault (“SA”) are in a different category to other crimes. I’m trying to look at this objectively rather than through a female lens, although I likely do have an unconscious bias at best (and probably a conscious bias if I’m being honest).

I totally understand the risk and unfairness in a man being accused of SA and suspended from his job when he has not had a chance to defend himself in court. I can imagine how that would feel if it happened to someone I knew and whom I believed to be innocent and it would be awful. Mud sticks.
But at the same time it is such a serious crime and whilst it is finally being taken more seriously than it has been in the past, there is still such a huge issue in terms of charge and conviction rates that seemingly ignoring the victims’ claims and continuing as if nothing has happened feels plain wrong.

I don’t know what the determining line is:
- Is it the number of complaints? 3 separate accusers in this instance feels a level that deserves some action by the club but is that worse than 1 accusation - surely each one deserves the same level of action?

- Is it the profile of the accused? In the public eye; keeping him visible and pursuing his career could be seen to undermine the seriousness of the accusations compared to Joe Bloggs whom not many people know about and who can continue day-to-day until being charged - but why should that be different?

- Is there a safeguarding issue which means employers should be concerned about their female or younger employees in case the accusations are true?

- Equally, is there a duty of care to the accused who has not yet been charged with a crime, only arrested on suspicion?

- Should the club base their action on whether the accusations reflect on their brand/values and bring the club into disrepute? (Hard to say perhaps if accusations are not proven);

- Is there simply a moral obligation on the club to take a view that the accusations are so disturbing and serious that it is better for the accused to be taken out of the public eye (but can maybe still train)?;

- In SA accusations/investigations specifically, should the club take into account how the accuser/victim might feel if the accused is pursuing their job in the public eye as if nothing was amiss?

- Does the risk of ruining someone’s career taken precedence over the above?

- Should the best interests of the club take precedence until a crime has been proven?

I’m sure there are other considerations.

I really don’t know what the right answer is tbh, just that it feels instinctively wrong to me that a situation where someone is facing so many accusations can be ignored enough to allow the player to continue to play as if nothing had happened.
Of course not everyone will agree with that.
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I don't think you can just suspend (whether publicly or privately) someone off the back of an accusation as that opens it up to abuse - IDK how things work wrt to the law processes once someone has had an accusation made against them - but for an investigation to rumble on so long and with there being several different accusers then with the case specifically I think there's certainly a point that was reached where the right thing to do would have been to put him on suspension one way or the other. When that point was reached is hard to say but reading that there was 3 different women, 5 cases and 7 arrests it was surely a long time ago.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think you can just suspend (whether publicly or privately) someone off the back of an accusation as that opens it up to abuse - IDK how things work wrt to the law processes once someone has had an accusation made against them - but for an investigation to rumble on so long and with there being several different accusers then with the case specifically I think there's certainly a point that was reached where the right thing to do would have been to put him on suspension one way or the other. When that point was reached is hard to say but reading that there was 3 different women, 5 cases and 7 arrests it was surely a long time ago.
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I agree, not just on the basis of an accusation but after an arrest has been made would seem more reasonable.

I don't think it was 7 arrests? Rather that he was arrested, bailed, and then bail was extended on a further 6 occasions.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think you can just suspend (whether publicly or privately) someone off the back of an accusation as that opens it up to abuse - IDK how things work wrt to the law processes once someone has had an accusation made against them - but for an investigation to rumble on so long and with there being several different accusers then with the case specifically I think there's certainly a point that was reached where the right thing to do would have been to put him on suspension one way or the other. When that point was reached is hard to say but reading that there was 3 different women, 5 cases and 7 arrests it was surely a long time ago.
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They compounded it by Arteta saying things like “he’s had a really hard time”. Yeah so have the friggin women who are accusing him. Arteta isn’t stupid and those comments after the North London Derby in 2022 come across really tone deaf. I’m amazed they’re not getting more stick because it’s been really poorly handed by them on all counts. And that pathetic statement on Friday added nothing, essentially washing their hands of it and failing to admit they did anything wrong or handled it badly.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I agree, not just on the basis of an accusation but after an arrest has been made would seem more reasonable.

I don't think it was 7 arrests? Rather that he was arrested, bailed, and then bail was extended on a further 6 occasions.
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It’s been the worst kept secret in football. He’s been getting booed by away fans all over the country for last season at least. Everyone knows it was him he was arrested in 2022 when they couldn’t announce who it was. I understand early on wanting to see how things played out but they would have had numerous opportunities to take action against him. It seems they were so desperate to win the bloody title that they developed a win at all costs mentality.
 
They are serious about winning things and spanking us properly next season… getting Zubimendi and now looking like Gykores in too, with a strong suggestion Madueke and Eze also coming in.

No lube for us I think
 
Gazza said:
They are serious about winning things and spanking us properly next season… getting Zubimendi and now looking like Gykores in too, with a strong suggestion Madueke and Eze also coming in.

No lube for us I think
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That’s about £300m spend
If they do spend that then they have to win something big
I think they will get a striker in and also a wide player but then start trying to sell like they did in recent seasons
 
Gazza said:
They are serious about winning things and spanking us properly next season… getting Zubimendi and now looking like Gykores in too, with a strong suggestion Madueke and Eze also coming in.

No lube for us I think
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Let’s see if they actually get over the line next season and what excuses they come up with this time if they don’t. Last season it was injuries but conveniently forget they had fudge all the previous two seasons when everyone else had an injury crisis at various points.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Let’s see if they actually get over the line next season and what excuses they come up with this time if they don’t. Last season it was injuries but conveniently forget they had fudge all the previous two seasons when everyone else had an injury crisis at various points.
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I mean who would want that pressure of spending money well and competing for the title …not for me
 
Gazza said:
I mean who would want that pressure of spending money well and competing for the title …not for me
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I think we’d all rather be challenging for the title than finishing 17th but they have spent an awful lot of money and have nothing to show for it so far. I do wish we would spend more and be smarter with how we spend but they’ve not actually achieved any tangible success from all their spending. They have as many trophies as we had under Poch when we challenged for the big honours.
 
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