The Premiership MoneyBall

[parklane1]

I think it could be evolution in the right direction, without the threat to revenue that relegation offers a locked central bargaining agreement would facilitate wage caps and equilibrium across a league, it could be the answer to competitiveness that people crave.

Look at the NFL, it unquestionably works.

Ah yes, the 60 minute game that lasts for three hours because of all the commercialism and money that stems from it. Not for me thanks.

 

[Baleforce]

It started some time back with the CL I guess. This is just the latest step the evolution of the game where the money decides . I honestly couldn't give a hoot if all the super rich clubs just tinkleed off into their own league. It would make the domestic leagues more competitive again which is what sport is about is it not? People would soon tire of watching the same teams play each other over and over ad nauseam. The CL already is so repetitive as to have lost any real draw for neutral fans.

it would make domestic leagues irrelevant

it seems that people do like watching the same teams, people like to associate with a successful brand/personality, Ferrari in F1 and Phil Taylor in darts are evidence of this, when they drop
off viewing figures go down

 

[Baleforce]

Ah yes, the 60 minute game that lasts for three hours because of all the commercialism and money that stems from it. Not for me thanks.

fair enough, it's not for everyone, but it's a sport that runs for 3 months yet dominates an entire continent

 

[parklane1]

fair enough, it's not for everyone, but it's a sport that runs for 3 months yet dominates an entire continent

As you say Stop! Hammer time, i like Baseball and would rather watch that ( without the two hours added for the overhype you get with AF) and that is popular over there.

 

[Jurgen the German]

if we sold Kane, Alli and Dier in todays market i think its safe to say we could get 200-250 mill quite comfortably. That money would pay for the stadium and even if we didnt sign anyone we would still finish in the top 6 or 7.

no stadium debt, huge increase in turnover, a continuation of the policy in scouting and developing young bright talents, the club would be a very healthy position.

Hopefully we won't need to sell given the tv money we will receive, plus I'm still hoping Levy will secure us a big payday for stadium naming rights.

 

[Jordinho]

it would make domestic leagues irrelevant

it seems that people do like watching the same teams, people like to associate with a successful brand/personality, Ferrari in F1 and Phil Taylor in darts are evidence of this, when they drop
off viewing figures go down

The needy glory hunters might be what brings in the megabucks, but they are not what keeps a sport alive. The most important thing for football fans is hope. The belief that one day their club will get it right. Should that day come they'll be denied the rewards because some other club has been more successful than them historically. I'll bet that this will also include historically insignificant like Chelsea, City and PSG because they have wealthy owners.

 

[Baleforce]

The needy glory hunters might be what brings in the megabucks, but they are not what keeps a sport alive. The most important thing for football fans is hope. The belief that one day their club will get it right. Should that day come they'll be denied the rewards because some other club has been more successful than them historically. I'll bet that this will also include historically insignificant like Chelsea, City and PSG because they have wealthy owners.

look at F1, Baseball, NFL, I'm not sure that is the case

the way these mega bucks" sports are setup everyone has a chance of getting right, the New England Patriots are not what they are due to money, they are just smarter than everybody else, it doesn't matter that McLaren hired Fernando Alonso, Mercedes built a better car

the future of football isn't in dragging down, it's in lifting up enough clubs to make spending power irrelevant

 

[Jordinho]

look at F1, Baseball, NFL, I'm not sure that is the case

the way these mega bucks" sports are setup everyone has a chance of getting right, the New England Patriots are not what they are due to money, they are just smarter than everybody else, it doesn't matter that McLaren hired Fernando Alonso, Mercedes built a better car

the future of football isn't in dragging down, it's in lifting up enough clubs to make spending power irrelevant

That's not what they're planning here though. The aim is to provide a select few with guaranteed income just in case their already superior spending power isn't enough. Why should we have a UEFA approved list of clubs that everyone has to support? The CL is already suffering from its lack of diversity. There are a lot of also rans in those American leagues that only exist to generate money for their owners. Relegation is a good thing.

I gave up on F1 long ago because I can't stand Ferrari or Schumacher. Can't say that I've missed it. If it wasn't for Spurs I'd have given up on football by now as well. I wish they actually would create some kind of super league roadshow with trophies and money for everyone and let us that used to care about it have our game back.

 

[Rorschach]

it would make domestic leagues irrelevant

it seems that people do like watching the same teams, people like to associate with a successful brand/personality, Ferrari in F1 and Phil Taylor in darts are evidence of this, when they drop
off viewing figures go down

On the contrary I think it may inject new life into the domestic leagues. Up until last season the top of the league had become boringly predicable. How good was it to have some new blood up there competing. Competition is what drives interest in a sport ultimately. The chance to win.

Even the NFL see this and use the draft system to try and level the playing field so to speak. If the same NFL team won every year then it's popularity would significantly decline also.

F1 introduce a raft of new rules every year to try and make their sport more interesting and competitive, but I find it a total borefest these days and I'm not alone. The sport has been on the decline for years and the viewing figures show that.

Football is like a brand but not in the true market sense of the term. You never switch brands. Fans will support the one team or switch off entirely IMO. If fans watch the sky four now as well as their own team it is because there is a relevance to them. It affects them. Remove that relevance and their interest will die off. And that is what the big clubs are in effect inttending with these rule changes. They are protecting their commercial interests and don't like when small clubs like Leicester gatecrash the party. Solution? Lock the door.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

It stinks and another nail in what for me was the greatest sport, football, i think it will not be long before i turn my back and find something else to occupy my match days. I will miss the travel and crack but so be it.

Felt that way for a few years, I've enjoyed watching my local non league club and Rugby Union team, supporters are friendlier and can have a laugh. No naked hatred to opponents.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

It started some time back with the CL I guess. This is just the latest step the evolution of the game where the money decides . I honestly couldn't give a hoot if all the super rich clubs just tinkleed off into their own league. It would make the domestic leagues more competitive again which is what sport is about is it not? People would soon tire of watching the same teams play each other over and over ad nauseam. The CL already is so repetitive as to have lost any real draw for neutral fans.

That sounds like the thoughts of a reasonable person who isn't desperate to bathe in the reflected glory of a top team, unfortunately you just need to walk down any High Street in the country and see hordes of sheep walking around in shirts of teams they've never seen at a match in their lives. Sky along with the rest of the media will keep telling them it's the greatest product in the world and imply you're a mug if you don't join in with the worship, while you're having your pockets picked.

 

[Baleforce]

On the contrary I think it may inject new life into the domestic leagues. Up until last season the top of the league had become boringly predicable. How good was it to have some new blood up there competing. Competition is what drives interest in a sport ultimately. The chance to win.

Even the NFL see this and use the draft system to try and level the playing field so to speak. If the same NFL team won every year then it's popularity would significantly decline also.

F1 introduce a raft of new rules every year to try and make their sport more interesting and competitive, but I find it a total borefest these days and I'm not alone. The sport has been on the decline for years and the viewing figures show that.

Football is like a brand but not in the true market sense of the term. You never switch brands. Fans will support the one team or switch off entirely IMO. If fans watch the sky four now as well as their own team it is because there is a relevance to them. It affects them. Remove that relevance and their interest will die off. And that is what the big clubs are in effect inttending with these rule changes. They are protecting their commercial interests and don't like when small clubs like Leicester gatecrash the party. Solution? Lock the door.

The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a decade, revenue has never been higher.

The rule changes are what ruin F1, not one team dominating.

I agree that very very few people in traditional football nations change affiliation, but in the growth regions I think it happens a lot.

 

[Rorschach]

The Patriots have dominated the NFL for a decade, revenue has never been higher.

The rule changes are what ruin F1, not one team dominating.

I agree that very very few people in traditional football nations change affiliation, but in the growth regions I think it happens a lot.

I don't watch the NFL but the Superbowl has been won only once by the Patriots in the last 10 years. Now maybe they are challenging each year but the love is shared around at least. The F1 rules changes are in direct response to the declining popularity of the sport and not the other way around. The point being that both sports are aiming to make themselves more competitive and they see this as is good thing. Complete dominances of a sport for an extended period is a turn off. A closed super euro mega soccer ball competition will have a novelty factor for a while and then dwindling viewing figures IMO. Unless teams can aspire to join this competition then it will soon only hold interest of the plastics (and I admit there are plenty of these).

 

[Baleforce]

I don't watch the NFL but the Superbowl has been won only once by the Patriots in the last 10 years. Now maybe they are challenging each year but the love is shared around at least. The F1 rules changes are in direct response to the declining popularity of the sport and not the other way around. The point being that both sports are aiming to make themselves more competitive and they see this as is good thing. Complete dominances of a sport for an extended period is a turn off. A closed super euro mega soccer ball competition will have a novelty factor for a while and then dwindling viewing figures IMO. Unless teams can aspire to join this competition then it will soon only hold interest of the plastics (and I admit there are plenty of these).

if it's closed off they can revenue share and impose salary quotas and squad limits, this can be leveraged with the stability and lower risk the clubs face

 

[Grays_1890]

If you take into account the relatively small revenue that Gates and F&B bring to teams you can see the game is not now aimed at the UK market, the fans are now and will continue to be aimed at the overseas masses.

The TV deal is made up mainly of money from overseas, namely the Middle East, shirt sales from overseas swamp those of the UK.

We sold the game to the world and unfortunately the soul has been ripped out in the UK.

 

[Rorschach]

if it's closed off they can revenue share and impose salary quotas and squad limits, this can be leveraged with the stability and lower risk the clubs face

Cool. They can close it off and do whatever they like with the revenue, wages, etc. It won't have any relevance to my team any more and I won't bother watching it.