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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

fernadez said:
It's an widely acepted sequence in the learning process. Also part of this is that you can only ever really learn by failing. The failing is what provides the stimulus to correct and refine. So it's not optional and you can't go from being rubbish at something to being great. Learning anything is just a system of repeated failiures which become less and less over time. This is all under the caveat of having foccused/structed learning that identifies the mistakes.

The key is to have the goals attainable but just slightly beyond your skillset. In this instance I guess we'll get rid of player who's skillset is too far the level we need, and who's approach to learning isn't in sync with development. Those who remain will continue to practice, learn and ultimate fail less until those 10-15 minute periods are 30 min periods and full games.

Then we'll see what is what.

The best recent example really is Arsenal from Arteta's arrival. Shipped players out, new ones in. Went from crap to less crap to good. What is also interesting is that he himself has undertook this process and is a lot more flexible now, making comprimises to win games. Whether Ange will is going to be interesting.
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It also why when people bang on about 'no plan B' and 'change it up', in the context of learning a system, to do that would undermine faith and belief in what is being 'taught'. I think he's been pretty clear on that point, but more and more I think people are either listening to him or only hearing what they want to hear.
 
Aldo said:
If Woolwich fans are indeed using that stat it's quite an own goal. Those 6 points cost them way more than they cost us.
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I said after their widely praised 0-0 draw at Eastlands that was where they'd regret the dropped points most. They could've won that day as City were vulnerable. Instead they set out not to lose.
 
Lilbaz said:
I question the word support. Wanting your team to lose is not support of your team no matter how you spin it. Yes you might be supporters in every other game but not in that one. Unless they have changed the meaning of the word.
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Arse al not winning the league is better for us in the long run so yes even wanting us to lose is still support when taking into account the bigger picture.
 
Lilbaz said:
Better for the fans maybe that didn't want to get stick from gooners. Not for the club.
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Arsenal are already at least a level above us, a title win solidifies that even further. A title win this season elevates them to that higher Stratosphere of certified winners. A stronger Arsenal makes another difficult opponent to overcome. If we hav any interest in rebuilding to that level eventually its in our interest for as few teams aside from City to have actually won the league. A title winning Arsenal continue to be a more attractive designation making it difficult to sign players etc.

If we want success sits actually in our interest for Arsenal not to achieve it this year. If Arse al don't win the pressure on Arteta increases and some of their fans are already demanding that next season they must win it.
 
Bishop said:
Arsenal are already at least a level above us, a title win solidifies that even further. A title win this season elevates them to that higher Stratosphere of certified winners. A stronger Arsenal makes another difficult opponent to overcome. If we hav any interest in rebuilding to that level eventually its in our interest for as few teams aside from City to have actually won the league. A title winning Arsenal continue to be a more attractive designation making it difficult to sign players etc.

If we want success sits actually in our interest for Arsenal not to achieve it this year. If Arse al don't win the pressure on Arteta increases and some of their fans are already demanding that next season they must win it.
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Villa have finished above us 2 seasons in a row. Them getting cl football instead of us takes money (£100m) and gives it to them.
 
Lilbaz said:
Villa have finished above us 2 seasons in a row. Them getting cl football instead of us takes money (£100m) and gives it to them.
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The money is great for villa and adds further weight to the abilities of Emery, who were Ange to go would be my first choice to take over for us - but pragmatically their squad is going to need more investment than they can afford to make the CL anything other than a fun trip overseas for the fans. They have several players in their squad who they can't be without, because it undermines their system (bit like us), and those players can't play twice every week. For Villa see Saudi Sportswashing Machine this year.
 
Surfless said:
The money is great for villa and adds further weight to the abilities of Emery, who were Ange to go would be my first choice to take over for us - but pragmatically their squad is going to need more investment than they can afford to make the CL anything other than a fun trip overseas for the fans. They have several players in their squad who they can't be without, because it undermines their system (bit like us), and those players can't play twice every week. For Villa see Saudi Sportswashing Machine this year.
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They pay more in wages than us, according to a discussion on Sky yesterday, so there may be more money there than we’d all think. I think they’ll be in the CL mix again next season, as will Chelsea. Hopefully Liverpool won’t, which might mean we can still be in and around there too.
 
Surfless said:
The money is great for villa and adds further weight to the abilities of Emery, who were Ange to go would be my first choice to take over for us - but pragmatically their squad is going to need more investment than they can afford to make the CL anything other than a fun trip overseas for the fans. They have several players in their squad who they can't be without, because it undermines their system (bit like us), and those players can't play twice every week. For Villa see Saudi Sportswashing Machine this year.
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You understand it's a new format? They should get through to the knock out stages.
 
CL has 2 additional 'group' stage matches from next season i believe, 4 home + 4 away - will be interesting to see if this has an impact on teams who are participating, with there being more teams domestically in with a shout of competing for the CL places then in theory it'll put additional strain on the first XI players which could lead to dropped points over a season.


Not sure if EL is the same new format but, again in theory, you should be able to rotate more in the Europa so less of an impact than in CL.
 
billyiddo said:
CL has 2 additional 'group' stage matches from next season i believe, 4 home + 4 away - will be interesting to see if this has an impact on teams who are participating, with there being more teams domestically in with a shout of competing for the CL places then in theory it'll put additional strain on the first XI players which could lead to dropped points over a season.


Not sure if EL is the same new format but, again in theory, you should be able to rotate more in the Europa so less of an impact than in CL.
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Same format, yes. Group stage 4 home and 4 away...
 
billyiddo said:
CL has 2 additional 'group' stage matches from next season i believe, 4 home + 4 away - will be interesting to see if this has an impact on teams who are participating, with there being more teams domestically in with a shout of competing for the CL places then in theory it'll put additional strain on the first XI players which could lead to dropped points over a season.


Not sure if EL is the same new format but, again in theory, you should be able to rotate more in the Europa so less of an impact than in CL.
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EL and Conference league have same new format..
 
Something I don't really get about other teams getting CL football is that we got that for some time, went all the way to the final five years ago... and look where we are now. Arsenal missed out for six years in a row and they are challenging for the title. Of course, it's better to be in than out but there's so much money in the PL at the moment that playing in the CL is not something that sets you apart for ever. It would have been nice to qualify but missing out isn't the end of the world, in my opinion.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Something I don't really get about other teams getting CL football is that we got that for some time, went all the way to the final five years ago... and look where we are now. Arsenal missed out for six years in a row and they are challenging for the title. Of course, it's better to be in than out but there's so much money in the PL at the moment that playing in the CL is not something that sets you apart for ever. It would have been nice to qualify but missing out isn't the end of the world, in my opinion.
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Agreed. Especially when we have zero chance of winning it next year.
 
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