Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Bishop]

That's one way to look at it, sure. The other way to look at it -

Poch finished just 3 pts behind Ange (iirc) despite getting to both a Cup final and a Cup semifinal in his first season, against Ange who got dumped out at basically the first opportunity twice and had nothing but free midweeks for 90% of the season.

Moreover, Poch's team showed what you would expect from a team that is exposed to tough, but promising tactics/styles of play - an initially tough time, but then constant improvement leading to a very good end to the season.

Ange started off brilliantly, and then got worse and worse - by the end we were a walking shambles even as he had a largely fit squad to choose from.

Taken together, the edge goes to Poch for me.

The Poch era is done. He wouldn't have done any better here if he had come back. We aren't the same club that he left, we don't have the same players and frankly some of his tactical decisions and player selections this season have been tragic.

Hes not an elite coach that can work in any context, he just worked in the 2015+ spurs context with an all time great striker in Kane. I really liked Poch and I would not have sacked him at the time, but I would not go back to him. It would just tarnish his legacy because he would not do as well at all.

Football is a never ending march forwards. Standing still is actually going backwards and going for Poch again in 2024 is going backwards.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Is getting to cup finals and semi finals an acomplishment then? How many have we done under levy?

No but going out of the Cups early can often be a way of doing better in the league as the team is less tired.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Poch did well at chelsea in the end. The club is a mess. He wasn't sacked for results on the pitch. At least he shouldn't have been.

I am delighted that Pochettino and Chelsea parted ways. It looked to me as though their team was starting to become a rather good one. Now they will have to start over again with a manager who will likely have different methods (though I don't know how close a fit their new manager is stylistically compared to Poch).

 

[Finney Is Back]

I'm not sure mentioning how much Chelsea's squad cost has any relevance when they are ridiculously over spending on any player they can get their hands - that doesn't signify how good the players at Pochs disposal actually were. Also there were players bought that Poch didn't want and this built up to why he left.

It was both Poch and Anges first season and they both had promising debut seasons for their new clubs . But had Ange got us to a cup final, a semi final and finish 6th 3 points behind Chelsea I guarantee you'd be arguing we had a better season than Chelsea....

Especially if it with a really poor first half to the season and then a really good second half where our form was behind only Emirates Marketing Project and Woolwich's

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Especially if it with a really poor first half to the season and then a really good second half where their form was behind only Emirates Marketing Project and Woolwich's

Doesn’t that show that they didn’t get their prep right then…
And if end of season form is the judge palace will win the title next season
It’s why we play a season

 

[Bedfordspurs]

No but going out of the Cups early can often be a way of doing better in the league as the team is less tired.

Staying in can also be a way of embedding your methods with fringe players which we know Ange said he wanted games to do

It’s why there is a counter argument

 

[Finney Is Back]

Doesn’t that show that they didn’t get their prep right then…
And if end of season form is the judge palace will win the title next season
It’s why we play a season

I think it shows a team that improved as they got more used to the way that the manager wanted them to play.

The new manager at Palace did really well. I suspect they'll do better overall next season this they did this season provided they keep/keep fit their main players

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think it shows a team that improved as they got more used to the way that the manager wanted them to play.

The new manager at Palace did really well. I suspect they'll do better overall next season this they did this season provided they keep/keep fit their main players

Could also mean they maybe played weaker teams in fixtures, the coach adapted… players were fitter.. so many variables

We know city always finish the season well. It’s a way and a plan almost. I don’t think others do it intentionally

I do also think Chelsea were dumb sacking Poch but I think he also made it happen because the club weren’t doing what he wanted wanted. Poch is great coach with young players and that’s what they need. But they make their bed as a club in strange ways

 

[spurspinter1]

I am delighted that Pochettino and Chelsea parted ways. It looked to me as though their team was starting to become a rather good one. Now they will have to start over again with a manager who will likely have different methods (though I don't know how close a fit their new manager is stylistically compared to Poch).

Yeah seemed a really odd decision as they were starting to look a difficult team to play against. Shocking that we lost 6 potential points when they were either completely gash or in a worse injury crisis than we had later on in the season. But to have a young squad getting better as the season progresses to then choose to press the reset button as soon as things were looking up is super bizarre.

They should have won the final and losing it to that Liverpool team that were pretty much decimated confirms my belief that he's not a manager to bridge that gap of being quite good to actually being a top level team. One league title at PSG doesn't write off the sheet amount of wasted opportunities when in a strong position to win something.

If he had done well at his jobs post Spurs than he'd be out of our reach and as he has done a mediocre job at every club in my head it shows he is / wasn't at the level we needed and as such were right to move on. Wouldn't make any sense to go back in for him if something went wrong with Ange this summer for example.

 

[Mcfee]

Doesn’t that show that they didn’t get their prep right then…
And if end of season form is the judge palace will win the title next season
It’s why we play a season

Their feet were probably still killing them from the hot coals.

 

[DubaiSpur]

You also have money from just participating. Then each round. Winning the europa gets you in the cl.

Uefa fudged european football with the cl. They should have given half the tv money to the federations to split amoungst the clubs.

Also it's all changed from next season. New format. New prize money. More games.

This is very true. Agreed that the CL has ruined both the competitiveness of European football and their own second/third-tier competitions.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

This is very true. Agreed that the CL has ruined both the competitiveness of European football and their own second/third-tier competitions.

The Europa is finally getting to a decent level now IMO
Helps Italian clubs started taking it serious and Seville of course

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

The Europa is finally getting to a decent level now IMO
Helps Italian clubs started taking it serious and Seville of course

This can't be anything else than a perception thing.....what has changed?

The level of the teams are as they were.

 

[Chrissivad]

Did teams take it more serious when you would qualify for the CL for winning it?

 

[Lilbaz]

This can't be anything else than a perception thing.....what has changed?

The level of the teams are as they were.

No teams dropping from cl. So arguably the standard will be less next season.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

This can't be anything else than a perception thing.....what has changed?

The level of the teams are as they were.

Teams dropping out are taking it serious and it’s and fine title winning sides in it
Who has just got the Europa final? The team that won the Bundesliga
Pool was in it who could have won the league both those side could have got CL last 8
Atlanta who did win it always we well in the CL
it’s a better standard but it won’t be going forward

 

[DubaiSpur]

The Europa is finally getting to a decent level now IMO
Helps Italian clubs started taking it serious and Seville of course

True, but I think that's more to do with what @Chrissivad pointed out - it's because there's a CL place on offer that teams are taking it more seriously in the last 8, as well as coefficients, etc.

It's still linked to the CL, which to me is a patchwork solution imo.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

True, but I think that's more to do with what @Chrissivad pointed out - it's because there's a CL place on offer that teams are taking it more seriously in the last 8, as well as coefficients, etc.

It's still linked to the CL, which to me is a patchwork solution imo.

Can’t argue with that but at least it builds it up

 

[Bishop]

This can't be anything else than a perception thing.....what has changed?

The level of the teams are as they were.

Non English teams always took it seriously. Even the English teams who would usually qualify for the CL took it seriously when they were in it ie. Chelsea and Manchester United. It's probably us, Arsenal and Liverpool to a lesser extent who never gave it any gravitas.

 

[tommysvr]

The Conference League being created has also made the Europa League look better.