Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[fernadez]

I never said we look completely water tight, who on earth is going to expect us to be that when we set out the way we do? The point is, Anges ethos means the quality of our chances created is frequently better than the quality of chances conceded. It's very noticeable and funny how the negative posters on here claim in matches this season we have looked pretty poor in attack at the same time complaining our defending is horrendous, yet by all metrics our expected goals constantly betters our expected goals conceded - something doesn't quite add up......

I don't think the quality of chances we create is better than the quality of chances conceded. We create opportunities where the final ball or run isn't good enough but give up 1v1's where the striker has time and space. Which is where the eye test comes in, if we have all the ball, huff and puff but give up 2 clear cut chances the stats will say one thing but my nervous system will say something completely different.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Do you reckon?

If City were 3-0 up and conceded a consolation, I think Pep would be mad. City were still in second in the league for clean sheets last season.

I really do want Spurs to love clean sheets more than they seem to currently do from the outside. My guess is that all goals get analysed and there are feedback mechanisms with our players on the inside. Surely Ange wants that stat to turn back in our favour?

Like their last game?
Seen who is top for clean sheets this season? It’s uniteds keeper

 

[Muttley]

Like their last game?
Seen who is top for clean sheets this season? It’s uniteds keeper

I just remember reading an article in mid September that following that opening 10 games last season, Spurs had since managed only 4 clean sheets in the next 32 league games. I think we've had a couple already this season though.

I guess we look again at the half way point of the season and see if we've got 5 or 6. That would be progress.

 

[metalgear]

Don’t care about clean sheets if we win
Hasn’t hurt city

Have no issues losing to worldies but cannot stand stupid goals - things that can be sorted by awareness, training, discipline etc. especially defending set pieces.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Have no issues losing to worldies but cannot stand stupid goals - things that can be sorted by awareness, training, discipline etc. especially defending set pieces.

And we haven’t conceded many worldies
Nearly all are due to basics
Good thing is so far we have dealt with set pieces massively better

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I just remember reading an article in mid September that following that opening 10 games last season, Spurs had since managed only 4 clean sheets in the next 32 league games. I think we've had a couple already this season though.

I guess we look again at the half way point of the season and see if we've got 5 or 6. That would be progress.

Like I say, right now Onana is leading the golden gloves numbers (also because Liverpool have swapped keepers due to injuries).
City conceded a late goal in their last game and could have conceded more in that game.
Defending isn’t the same as it used to be imo

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Like I say, right now Onana is leading the golden gloves numbers (also because Liverpool have swapped keepers due to injuries).
City conceded a late goal in their last game and could have conceded more in that game.
Defending isn’t the same as it used to be imo

Goals conceded by teams have definitely increased over the last two seasons of you look at the final tables.

That said you need to, at bare minimum, start totalling sub 40 goals conceded if you want to be a contender.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Goals conceded by teams have definitely increased over the last two seasons of you look at the final tables.

That said you need to, at bare minimum, start totalling sub 40 goals conceded if you want to be a contender.

Yep
Fully agree
And that’s why one freak result like last time for me has to be just that… an outlier
Or we have an issue
And then people will just quote last years fixtures again, and again…

 

[Jurgen the German]

Goals conceded by teams have definitely increased over the last two seasons of you look at the final tables.

That said you need to, at bare minimum, start totalling sub 40 goals conceded if you want to be a contender.

Fully agree. Not many teams win the league conceding more than 40 goals. In our best season under Poch we conceded 26 goals in the league. Arsenal conceded a similar amount last season. We need to be conceding much less than we did last season, doesn’t matter how we do it, but doing better at set pieces would be a good foundation to build on.

 

[yiddo37]

Fully agree. Not many teams win the league conceding more than 40 goals. In our best season under Poch we conceded 26 goals in the league. Arsenal conceded a similar amount last season. We need to be conceding much less than we did last season, doesn’t matter how we do it, but doing better at set pieces would be a good foundation to build on.

Didn't we score the most and concede the fewest that year or am I imagining it?

 

[yiddo37]

Just checked, we did. Still didn't win the league

 

[SteveAWOL]

I don't think the quality of chances we create is better than the quality of chances conceded. We create opportunities where the final ball or run isn't good enough but give up 1v1's where the striker has time and space. Which is where the eye test comes in, if we have all the ball, huff and puff but give up 2 clear cut chances the stats will say one thing but my nervous system will say something completely different.

If only every forward in the EPL was as inept as Werner or Traore when left 1-on-1 with a goalie it’d make those chances we give up a lot less nerve racking!

 

[harr1984]

Just checked, we did. Still didn't win the league

Probably the same season we won the 'Top of the league for calendar year' title.

We really are rather good at winning things that don't matter, the Audi Cup is obviously one that sticks out. But the one that will live long in the memory for me is the run of winning the most sustainable club in the league title four years running ....

 

[Jurgen the German]

Didn't we score the most and concede the fewest that year or am I imagining it?

Yes that’s true

 

[Jurgen the German]

Probably the same season we won the 'Top of the league for calendar year' title.

We really are rather good at winning things that don't matter, the Audi Cup is obviously one that sticks out. But the one that will live long in the memory for me is the run of winning the most sustainable club in the league title four years running ....

And the “we got the most points from 2015/17” seasons. Again it doesn’t matter if you don’t actually win the league in either of those seasons.

 

[Bishop]

Yep
And I’m glad we have the same defensive record as city and Chelsea because that’s the benchmark, right?
We have a better defensive record than Brighton and Villa who also sit above us

We'll see if we keep step with them over the course of the season. I doubt it.

Right, so a handful of games out of how many when implementing a completely new philosophy? We ended up conceding same amount of goals as Villa that season, it's overexaggerated IMO....

Villa also concede too many, they aren't a benchmark to match. 60 goals conceded per season isn't going to get you above 4th and only gets you roughly in contention of you're also scoring loads.

 

[Chrissivad]

Did ok today

 

[Jordinho]

Did ok today

Changed things and we got better.

 

[Bullet]

Have no issues losing to worldies but cannot stand stupid goals

I can't believe Udogie's defending against Bowen, for the Spam goal today.
The ball is dropping and Udogie doesn't even try to get goal side, he just goes wrong side and seems surprised when Bowen is through to cause chaos.
Talk about basics.

 

[Jordinho]

I can't believe Udogie's defending against Bowen, for the Spam goal today.
The ball is dropping and Udogie doesn't even try to get goal side, he just goes wrong side and seems surprised when Bowen is through to cause chaos.
Talk about basics.

Udogie has been like that all season. Just leaves his man free all the time and doesn't defend well once the ball gets there.