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DeanoAustin said:
The table @Raziel had posted above seems to show we are in the healthiest position in the league from a PSR perspective so we aren’t restricted on increasing our wage bill.

We pay decent wages but we pay the lowest percentage of our revenue in wages in the league. That’s a fact and has been for many years (bar one year IIRC when we were second lowest). That is what limits us from signing top players. It’s why we don’t get people like VVD, Rice or Haaland.

Levy has a clear strategy of keeping that ratio low (as he always has) and signing young players with potential who won’t demand big money and will have high resale value.
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So Levy should have had a strategy to keep it low. We were also rated for many years as the only truly financially viable PL club and numerous clubs have started to be published under PSRs with many more under investigation. It's a bit like when Inter went years without winning anything in Italy and when calciogate happened turns out they were the only club not bribing referees.

We are playing by the rules of the competition we are in. Another owner is only going to be able to pay wages within our revenue and will still be hamstring by our homegrown and club trained quotas that meant rather than sign Haalands and Rices we had to go for a load of players 17 or 18 year old that would count as club trained in 3 years time before their 21st birthday...
 
Raziel said:
This was PSR position in March of 2024

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The only Premier League club to have posted a profit over three years, albeit a small one of £5 million. The club have invested £422.1 million in the playing squad since January 2022 with the likes of Rodrigo Bentancur (£17.1 million), Richarlison (£60 million), Yves Bissouma (£25 million), Cristian Romero (£45 million), James Maddison (£40 million) and Brennan Johnson (£47.5 million) have all arrived at the club in that time. Over the same period, the club received £154.6 million in outgoing transfer fees.

Hard to see even a 130M hit hurting us significantly as it's over 3 year period. And to your point, certainly no one doing better.
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So we’re the least ambitious club in the league from a trying to strengthen the team perspective?
 
Kompakted said:
So Levy should have had a strategy to keep it low. We were also rated for many years as the only truly financially viable PL club and numerous clubs have started to be published under PSRs with many more under investigation. It's a bit like when Inter went years without winning anything in Italy and when calciogate happened turns out they were the only club not bribing referees.

We are playing by the rules of the competition we are in. Another owner is only going to be able to pay wages within our revenue and will still be hamstring by our homegrown and club trained quotas that meant rather than sign Haalands and Rices we had to go for a load of players 17 or 18 year old that would count as club trained in 3 years time before their 21st birthday...
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Raziel’s table posted earlier suggests that we have a lot of PSR room to increase wages.

Home grown and club trained quotas can indeed be improved by buying the world’s best 17 and 18 year olds. However I think under 18 signings do not count towards PSR so do not need to be at the expense of older players.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Raziel’s table posted earlier suggests that we have a lot of PSR room to increase wages.

Home grown and club trained quotas can indeed be improved by buying the world’s best 17 and 18 year olds. However I think under 18 signings do not count towards PSR so do not need to be at the expense of older players.
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1) Yes, we do have a lot of PSR room as we got rid of a tonne of high earners like Kane, N'Dombele, Alli etc. over the last few years.
2) How do under 18 signings not count towards PSR. Ultimately, PSR governs the amount of financial loss a club can record over a 3 year period. If you spend £200m on Lamine Lemal its gonna hurt from a balancing the books perspective....
3) I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying about squad quotas...it is precisely BECAUSE we stopped buying younger players and developing academy players and started throwing big wages at foreign players that we've got ourselves into a situation where we CANT buy big-wage established players as we won't be able to register them. We've neglected these rules and our academy for a period and it is now hurting us as we've had to go and recruit a tonne of 17/18 year olds so that our club trained quotas look a lot healthier in the next few years. Meanwhile we are having to register youth players for Europa League...
 
fernadez said:
It's like we've turned up to the orgy too late and everyone is cleaning up with the wet wipes.
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The team our tactics and style remind me of most was the dregs of the Wenger era at Arsenal. Wenger came in and thrived in an era where English football was still transitioning from a sport that was amateur in a lot of aspects culturally (even as wages and TV revenue were increasing).

His tactics were fairly high risk but worked until the mid 2000s, when everyone had analysts and everyone was as fit and well conditioned as they were.

Then they continued to be "nice to watch", the neutrals favourite, but it was always a toss-up whether they'd batter someone 5-0, lose 8-2 (they did against United once I think) or drop points in tight games where they'd look threatening, dominate the ball, but didn't create a clear chance only to be suckered from a corner or counter.

They also became a specialist in throwing away leads as Wenger didn't believe in managing out games. The most famous example was the 4-0 up to 4-4 at Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

Nobody plays the way Arsenal did under Wenger, particularly with the rigid adherence to "principles" no matter the game or squad situation...until now. Maybe it's because he cut his teeth in Japan like Wenger did but it's like we've been rewound 20 years to a bygone team and era....
 
Remember this forum at the moment, next time the 'fans don't get the manager sacked' argument comes up. The club monitors online fan sentiment. departs read it, and go and shout it at games. Because of the fans impatience, it forces Levy to make a change.
 
Raziel said:
This was PSR position in March of 2024

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More specifics on Spurs

The only Premier League club to have posted a profit over three years, albeit a small one of £5 million. The club have invested £422.1 million in the playing squad since January 2022 with the likes of Rodrigo Bentancur (£17.1 million), Richarlison (£60 million), Yves Bissouma (£25 million), Cristian Romero (£45 million), James Maddison (£40 million) and Brennan Johnson (£47.5 million) have all arrived at the club in that time. Over the same period, the club received £154.6 million in outgoing transfer fees.

Hard to see even a 130M hit hurting us significantly as it's over 3 year period. And to your point, certainly no one doing better.
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Prem is over 3 years (for now). Uefas isn't as far as i'm aware.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Remember this forum at the moment, next time the 'fans don't get the manager sacked' argument comes up. The club monitors online fan sentiment. departs read it, and go and shout it at games. Because of the fans impatience, it forces Levy to make a change.
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Sorry but I can't see the link between 'this forum at the moment' and the next time the fans don't get the manager sacked argument comes up. What's the logic here?
 
Lemonade Money said:
Because you've always got someone suggesting it's Levy pulling the trigger too quick, and nothing to do with the fans.
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That much I get but what's the link between having people on an Internet message board saying the manager should be sacked (and if I remember correctly, judging by the poll, they're a minority) and the fact that Levy actually sacks? I mean, surely, you're not suggesting that people shouldn't be allowed to voice their concerns/opinions here, so I don't see what the problem is. The same thing happened with all our previous managers as far as can I remember (and I joined the forum when Gorgeous George was in charge).
 
Watching Salah yesterday, he also doesn't take on his man, like Johnson and Son don't. But the difference is, as soon as Salah passes back, he's off sprinting his arse off towards goal ‐ he'll either get the return, or draw away the defenders. Lack of movement is killing us and our tactics.
I put this down to mismanagement of the squad. You can't play high energy football if you keep flogging the same players, and to anyone who says with haven't got the depth of squad, well we've ended up having to use that squad anyway, just without the luxury of picking and choosing what games they play, and with players constantly in the red.
It was also noticeable that Liverpool were prepared to launch it away from their goal when necessary, rather than being wed to playing it out.
I'm still Ange in for lots of reasons, but he really does need to change a few things in time for next season.
I'm beginning to think Son will be the rope that Ange hangs himself with.
 
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