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American politics

So he leaves the WHO. Skips the climate agreement. Cancels flights of Afghans who served the US during their war. Couple of Nazi salutes from Elon. And with Google head, Zuckerberg and Bezos all standing with him. It really is comically tragic
 
LutonSpurs said:
So he leaves the WHO. Skips the climate agreement. Cancels flights of Afghans who served the US during their war. Couple of Nazi salutes from Elon. And with Google head, Zuckerberg and Bezos all standing with him. It really is comically tragic
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It's so dangerous, and so unstoppable, that I am personally not sure what to do. I think protection of my mental health and family is the most important thing, thus I am really going to have to avoid looking at the news regularly...which in and of itself presents some enormous issues.
 
thfcsteff said:
It's so dangerous, and so unstoppable, that I am personally not sure what to do. I think protection of my mental health and family is the most important thing, thus I am really going to have to avoid looking at the news regularly...which in and of itself presents some enormous issues.
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That's about as much as one can do in such unprecedented times.
 
LutonSpurs said:
So he leaves the WHO. Skips the climate agreement. Cancels flights of Afghans who served the US during their war. Couple of Nazi salutes from Elon. And with Google head, Zuckerberg and Bezos all standing with him. It really is comically tragic
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He also more subtlely cancelled aid to Ukraine in his speech. He did not call it out directly, but it is in there. To say this is a disaster for Ukraine and Europe is underselling it.
Also, one other thing a few commentators picked up on is that the TikTok ban reversal is in direct contravention to a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling. Straight out of the blocks, he is challenging the rule of law. He is testing the limit of his power, and if his order stands, then there is nothing left to restrain him.
(edit: not that the supreme court were going to restrain him much anyway - they made in king)
 
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Rorschach said:
He also more subtlely cancelled aid to Ukraine in his speech. He did not call it out directly, but it is in there. To say this is a disaster for Ukraine and Europe is underselling it.
Also, one other thing a few commentators picked up on is that the TikTok ban reversal is in direct contravention of the 9-0 Supreme Court ruling. Straight out of the blocks, he is challenging the rule of law. He is testing the limit of his power, and if his order stands, then there is nothing left to restrain him.
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So help me it actually became true.
 
Rorschach said:
Climate stuff here....sweet Jeebus. An energy emergency? The US is already the biggest exporter of fossil fuels on the planet.

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Hi speech on this yesterday was like the start of any disaster movie

"We are going to cancel everything, reverse everything and we are going to oil and gas absolute everywhere we can to produce record amount"

Regardless where people sit on this stuff, they do know there is only a finite amount of this brick left in the earth? The fact we are surrounded by so many enablers its whats scary for me.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Lots of reeling in on the push towards Electric vehicles. Interesting. Hey Elon.

(Obviously much bigger stuff in there btw)
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I just don't see the push back, its such a weird thing for me that people are so unprepared to accept the Earths Geology for what it is. I know there are arguments against the cost and the practicality of it, but so many calling it a conspiracy when really its just a fact that the worlds going to have to adapt to change as it always has. You may as well start making the gains to be ready for when it does become crucial.
 
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I just don't see the push back, its such a weird thing for me that people are so unprepared to accept the Earths Geology for what it is. I know there are arguments against the cost and the practicality of it, but so many calling it a conspiracy when really its just a fact that the worlds going to have to adapt to change as it always has. You may as well start making the gains not to be ready for when it does become crucial.
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100% mate.
We've treated things as if they are an infinite resource.

The homeostasis of the earth is the challenge. Fossil fuels and petrochemicals are the biggest effectors in that. And money is the biggest barrier. (And I don't mean the cost of doing it)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
100% mate.
We've treated things as if they are an infinite resource.

The homeostasis of the earth is the challenge. Fossil fuels and petrochemicals are the biggest effectors in that. And money is the biggest barrier. (And I don't mean the cost of doing it)
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What if the use of fossil fuels can boost the economy and provide funding for R&D in carbon free technologies?

I think there's a valid concern that making an expensive shift before the technology is ready does more damage by reducing available investment and prolonging development.

Some technologies are ready. Electric cars are perfectly good for day to day use. I happily drive one and just save the petrol car for when I want to have fun.

Solar panel ROI on a large space like my factory roof is about 3-4 years - a complete no-brainer.
 
LutonSpurs said:
So he leaves the WHO. Skips the climate agreement. Cancels flights of Afghans who served the US during their war. Couple of Nazi salutes from Elon. And with Google head, Zuckerberg and Bezos all standing with him. It really is comically tragic
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Without wishing to be too melodramatic, the support from big business is a direct echo of the Nazi era. As, of course, is the targetting of minorites, the implicit threats of violence, the excusing of previous violent acts of violence carried out in the name of the regime, the populist agenda, the attempts to stifle opposition voices...

America will soon find out just what it voted for. The question is, will the people stand for it?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
100% mate.
We've treated things as if they are an infinite resource.

The homeostasis of the earth is the challenge. Fossil fuels and petrochemicals are the biggest effectors in that. And money is the biggest barrier. (And I don't mean the cost of doing it)
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Spending billions on billions in support of Musks terraforming of Mars plan because.........there is a gloomy outlook whilst accelerating the demise.

Takes some doing
 
Mikey10 said:
Without wishing to be too melodramatic, the support from big business is a direct echo of the Nazi era. As, of course, is the targetting of minorites, the implicit threats of violence, the excusing of previous violent acts of violence carried out in the name of the regime, the populist agenda, the attempts to stifle opposition voices...

America will soon find out just what it voted for. The question is, will the people stand for it?
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I think the bigger question is whether true authoritarianism along the lines of Pinochet comes into effect and essentially beats resistance out of people.
 
Mikey10 said:
Without wishing to be too melodramatic, the support from big business is a direct echo of the Nazi era. As, of course, is the targetting of minorites, the implicit threats of violence, the excusing of previous violent acts of violence carried out in the name of the regime, the populist agenda, the attempts to stifle opposition voices...

America will soon find out just what it voted for. The question is, will the people stand for it?
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The road to this point is lined with unimaginative folk saying 'don't be so melodramatic, he'll never do that'. Within a couple of years (maybe months!!) they'll be debating the type of camp those brown folk are in.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the bigger question is whether true authoritarianism along the lines of Pinochet comes into effect and essentially beats resistance out of people.
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I honestly would be surprised if this is not the course already laid in. There will be protests and violence. The last chance to avoid this ended in November gone. There is no historical precedent where a country this far down the road to authoritarianism has self-corrected course and avoided it. It always ends up one way.
 
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