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American politics

Rorschach said:
The road to this point is lined with unimaginative folk saying 'don't be so melodramatic, he'll never do that'. Within a couple of years (maybe months!!) they'll be debating the type of camp those brown folk are in.
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Freeing all those that stormed Capitol Hill sends a fcuking grim message about violence............

This is a throwback a scary throwback.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Freeing all those that stormed Capitol Hill sends a fcuking grim message about violence............

This is a throwback a scary throwback.
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And a very scary precedent. You don't even have to be a complete nutter to take that as a free pass to use violence against political opponents or anyone else whose views are different than your own.
 
"I didn't know what it was" was Musks retort apparently...........not a great sign for someone on the now international political stage.

Given his Grandparents were Nazi Party members in Canada, I reckon he knew
 
Who are the real people behind him putting these proposals in his head? I bet he was oblivious to most of the stuff he has been signing off on right?
 
Craig_J said:
There's no way to interpet this as anyting other than a Nazi salute

Given the stage - and given the fact he has never done this gesture before in his life... he at least should know much better.

He wants to bait, wants to troll and wants to be edgy,

People need to call it out for what it is.
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They are now saying its a salute that was basically ruled out of America in the 1920 because it looked too close to a Nazi salute, its taken them 12 hours or so to come up with that, seemingly having searched frantically for an excuse. In the meantime far right groups in America have now started adopting the images and video as part of their PR..................Tremendous fudgery in the first evening of the job
 
Robbo said:
And a very scary precedent. You don't even have to be a complete nutter to take that as a free pass to use violence against political opponents or anyone else whose views are different than your own.
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Also after the Surpeme Court cleared up Presidents cannot be convicted of anything done or said in their role as President - the line is clear that so long as Trump as his President hat on he can do exactly what he wants when he wants - and has completely legal immunity for it.
 
As for the salute by Musk...

How insulting it is people say it is because he has Abergers


I don't for one second doubt that Musk has the condition and that it is somewhat responsible for a lot of his odness..

But in all his career he hasn't done this once...

I so hope someone is able to deubnk that and explain it away.

But it comes across as if he has chosen a huge moment to dog whistle...

And it is deplorable to blame it on neurovidversity.
 
Craig_J said:
As for the salute by Musk...

How insulting it is people say it is because he has Abergers


I don't for one second doubt that Musk has the condition and that it is somewhat responsible for a lot of his odness..

But in all his career he hasn't done this once...

I so hope someone is able to deubnk that and explain it away.

But it comes across as if he has chosen a huge moment to dog whistle...

And it is deplorable to blame it on neurovidversity.
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Trying to explain it away is part of the performative nonsense. Everyone knows what it is, Musk most of all.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I just don't see the push back, its such a weird thing for me that people are so unprepared to accept the Earths Geology for what it is. I know there are arguments against the cost and the practicality of it, but so many calling it a conspiracy when really its just a fact that the worlds going to have to adapt to change as it always has. You may as well start making the gains to be ready for when it does become crucial.
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So, this is something I realised years ago - capitalists don't care about this.
Capitalists work with what they can profit from now and in the near future. When the world's burns more, they'll sell new houses, new sofas, new TVs to replace the ones destroyed. The world adapting is irrelevant for them. The preparation to make the small gains is irrelevant. They'll just pivot to solve the problem of the time, rather than act to stop the problem occurring.

The planet will adapt and the planet will recover.
The question is about how long it stays suitable for human habitation and which parts. It certainly won't remain habitable for the current population (unless we decide to live in smaller areas but build upwards) for much longer. I guess the next 50-100 years will see massage change in how humans live here.

I know this sounds nihilistic (and it is a bit), but it's time to just live. Humanity doesn't have the capability to fix what we've created. We have evolved to have immense intelligence as animals, but not evolved to know how to use it properly. Maybe the next evolution will help with that?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
What that you can storm Capitol Hill without repercussions?......Trump may regret this one :)
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He won't. They were "freedom fighters" upholding democracy after a stolen election. This election isn't stolen, so anyone going against America in now is also going against Trump (and vice versa), conditions under which the harshest of punishment is applicable.

It's some solid dictatorship rule.
 
monkeybarry said:
So, this is something I realised years ago - capitalists don't care about this.
Capitalists work with what they can profit from now and in the near future. When the world's burns more, they'll sell new houses, new sofas, new TVs to replace the ones destroyed. The world adapting is irrelevant for them. The preparation to make the small gains is irrelevant. They'll just pivot to solve the problem of the time, rather than act to stop the problem occurring.

The planet will adapt and the planet will recover.
The question is about how long it stays suitable for human habitation and which parts. It certainly won't remain habitable for the current population (unless we decide to live in smaller areas but build upwards) for much longer. I guess the next 50-100 years will see massage change in how humans live here.

I know this sounds nihilistic (and it is a bit), but it's time to just live. Humanity doesn't have the capability to fix what we've created. We have evolved to have immense intelligence as animals, but not evolved to know how to use it properly. Maybe the next evolution will help with that?
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I think the planet will throw us off its back sooner rather than later TBH.

Scientific data works on past applied to future and also theory/projections but no one truly knows the overall harm and impact we have till it happens. There are and will always be surprises along the way that could not be predicted of factored in, its just when, where and how big
 
monkeybarry said:
So, this is something I realised years ago - capitalists don't care about this.
Capitalists work with what they can profit from now and in the near future. When the world's burns more, they'll sell new houses, new sofas, new TVs to replace the ones destroyed. The world adapting is irrelevant for them. The preparation to make the small gains is irrelevant. They'll just pivot to solve the problem of the time, rather than act to stop the problem occurring.

The planet will adapt and the planet will recover.
The question is about how long it stays suitable for human habitation and which parts. It certainly won't remain habitable for the current population (unless we decide to live in smaller areas but build upwards) for much longer. I guess the next 50-100 years will see massage change in how humans live here.

I know this sounds nihilistic (and it is a bit), but it's time to just live. Humanity doesn't have the capability to fix what we've created. We have evolved to have immense intelligence as animals, but not evolved to know how to use it properly. Maybe the next evolution will help with that?
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It does sound defeatist - and I certainly don't want us to ever stop trying.

But I do accept we are far too stupid as a species to ever sort our own brick out.

If we go extinct that is on us. We gave ourselves fair warning and failed to listen.
 
Craig_J said:
It does sound defeatist - and I certainly don't want us to ever stop trying.

But I do accept we are far too stupid as a species to ever sort our own brick out.

If we go extinct that is on us. We gave ourselves fair warning and failed to listen.
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I don't think think Homosapiens will go extinct, but will become small in number and there will be an evolution (which might look like regression - but I guess that depends on terms of reference) to something else that can live in whatever conditions are present.

Being part of the western world from the 1960s - 2010s will go down as a privilege and golden age.
 
monkeybarry said:
So, this is something I realised years ago - capitalists don't care about this.
Capitalists work with what they can profit from now and in the near future. When the world's burns more, they'll sell new houses, new sofas, new TVs to replace the ones destroyed. The world adapting is irrelevant for them. The preparation to make the small gains is irrelevant. They'll just pivot to solve the problem of the time, rather than act to stop the problem occurring.

The planet will adapt and the planet will recover.
The question is about how long it stays suitable for human habitation and which parts. It certainly won't remain habitable for the current population (unless we decide to live in smaller areas but build upwards) for much longer. I guess the next 50-100 years will see massage change in how humans live here.

I know this sounds nihilistic (and it is a bit), but it's time to just live. Humanity doesn't have the capability to fix what we've created. We have evolved to have immense intelligence as animals, but not evolved to know how to use it properly. Maybe the next evolution will help with that?
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I would argue that we certainly could fix the mess we are in but it is apparent we have not the desire to do so in large enough numbers. Capitalism is really the opiate of the masses. And when those numbers do swell to some sort of critical mass as a result of worsening conditions, everywhere, it will be too late to do anything meaningful. It may already be.
Time is the resource we have least of. This is why we can ill afford to give up this precious time to Trump. A pathetic failed businessman and gameshow host is stealing our future from us. How fudging stupid do you have to be to let this man con you over and over? So 4 more years at least of bedlam and coddling a dictator instead of doing what is needed.
 
Rorschach said:
I would argue that we certainly could fix the mess we are in but it is apparent we have not the desire to do so in large enough numbers. Capitalism is really the opiate of the masses. And when those numbers do swell to some sort of critical mass as a result of worsening conditions, everywhere, it will be too late to do anything meaningful. It may already be.
Time is the resource we have least of. This is why we can ill afford to give up this precious time to Trump. A pathetic failed businessman and gameshow host is stealing our future from us. How fudging stupid do you have to be to let this man con you over and over? So 4 more years at least of bedlam and coddling a dictator instead of doing what is needed.
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Unfortunately for humans the timing of social media turning up in our lives couldn't be worse.

Yes, one would think 'what a tool for connection, calibration, a vehicle for the hive mind'

But instead we have ....polarisation on virtually any subject you care to mention, evaporation of the middle ground, misinformation, critical thinking on its way out, long form discussion a thing of the past, an information feed on fast forward, time wasted on mind numbing brick, potential brain developmental issues for this generation of kids (yep the guys and girls who'll be in the thick of it in 20-30 years), and as we have seen, sovereign individuals using the (their) tool and placing themselves in control and/or with influence in the running of countries.

Certainly sounds like bad timing when there's an issue that will effect us ALL needs ALL to pay attention.
 
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