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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 78 46.4%
  • Out

    Votes: 90 53.6%

  • Total voters
    168
I know there’s only 9 games left, but I’m confident that Ange can deliver the elusive 25 league defeats in a season.

I only see us winning one more league game this season. Possibly two, if Brighton win the Cup and they cant be bothered turning up for the last match of the season
 
We have never finished bottom 6 of the Premier League. Not even under Ossie or Gross. There is a real chance it happens this season as only goal difference is keeping us above 5 other teams at the moment.

Ossie and Gross were terrible managers for us but they genuinely inherited brickshows. Ange inherited a club who had challenged for European football for pretty much 20 years straight.

That's the scale of the horrific job he's done this season. There is no argument for keeping him. He's been a disaster.

Can’t really be understated, unfortunately. That Christian Gross team was utterly brick, until Klinsmann came in to save us from relegation away to Wimbledon. We were a 15-20th place team. Paulo Tramezzani ffs. The players we have now are miles and miles better, and we should under no circumstances be lower than say 8th in the league with this squad, at the lowest. We’re badly underperforming under Ange, imo.
 
Can’t really be understated, unfortunately. That Christian Gross team was utterly brick, until Klinsmann came in to save us from relegation away to Wimbledon. We were a 15-20th place team. Paulo Tramezzani ffs. The players we have now are miles and miles better, and we should under no circumstances be lower than say 8th in the league with this squad, at the lowest. We’re badly underperforming under Ange, imo.
It is quite amazing that there are still a significant groundswell of support for Ange when, on any objective level, his almost 2 seasons have represented probably the worst coaching performance in our PL history. It pretty much is that on its own anyway, but once you compare the players he has to work with comparative to the opposition versus as you say Gross having to put Steffen "can trap a ball further than he can kick it" Iversen and co out on a pitch....i really just don't get any continued support.
 
It is quite amazing that there are still a significant groundswell of support for Ange when, on any objective level, his almost 2 seasons have represented probably the worst coaching performance in our PL history. It pretty much is that on its own anyway, but once you compare the players he has to work with comparative to the opposition versus as you say Gross having to put Steffen "can trap a ball further than he can kick it" Iversen and co out on a pitch....i really just don't get any continued support.

Going by what I see in social media, the ones that are still supporting him seem to be the head in the sand kind of stubborn type that won't change their stance as they would lose too much face - and these same guys are obviously the same ones that will start kicking and screaming if whoever we bring loses a game or two. That's obviously a gross generalization, but you know these types exist, or they certainly seem to on X and Bluesky (where else?).

You could always argue that having played a big chunk of the season without important players due to injury has lead us to an unfortunate position where a lot of fans have been disgruntled and therefore players start to lose confidence in themselves, and so when the injured players come back, the place is in so much turmoil it's hard to turn around. I see that. Yet, you can't just go on forever finding these mitigating circumstances. All managers face adversity in some form. It's pretty much the manager's job to actually manage these circumstances. So yeah, he's been a bit unfortunate, but you can only use that to defend him for so long. Not anymore. Despite him being a very likable fellow, and one that has undoubtedly been successful elsewhere (I don't buy the "he's a completely incompetent fraud" silliness) - it's time for the club to say enough is enough. Too bad it didn't work out. No hard feelings. We have to move on. I wish him all the best for the future, and have no doubts that he will succeed elsewhere - but I doubt it'll be in the Premier League.
 
Think if you look at my posting history, you’ll see I said the first 10 games were an anomaly while they were happening, I said very early in his reign that he’d never win anything with us because of how we defend.

I always said I’d support him if he finished top 8 or maybe top 10 but if he got us in or close to a relegation battle I was out. That’s been my consistent position on him.

Everton was the straw that broke the camel’s back, Leicester made sure of it. Most weeks since have just confirmed my current thoughts.

To be fair to Aussie Ardiles, even excluding that glorious 10 game honeymoon period we still have positive goal difference… just a slight shame that the only teams to lose more PL games since Postecoglou took charge are Wolves and Brentford.

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Watching Bochuam v Frankfurt right now. Seeing what we have to look forward to.

Hopefully van de Ven’s hamstrings are at 100% when we face Frankfurt, as he’ll be up against the fastest sprinter in the history of Bundesliga.


 
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