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Mr Gogolak said:
It's true, but it's also not as simple as that. There's a reason why very few managers stay at the same club for more than five seasons. At some point, players get bored of hearing the same instructions, week in, week out. Ferguson found a good way around that by appointing new assistants almost every other season, but Pochettino didn't have that luxury.

In other words and while I respect your faith in the guy, nobody knows for sure he had it in him to reinvent himself and see that rebuild through. The players he insisted on buying haven't been very successful. Sure, maybe they would have done better with him but that will remain a conjecture.

What's done is done. No-one will ever take what he achieved with us away from him, but we could spend a lifetime or two debating what might have been, I don't think anyone will change their minds now. For what it's worth, I think it was a bigger mistake/unfortunate circumstance that the managers we appointed next weren't backed properly.
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That is true, but maybe the players not listening should have been shipped out.
Eriksen is the prime example, he was done, he wanted to go, he had given up, but levy would not listen.
Our squad was stale because there was no churn in it, that is as much as a problem as the manager staying top long.
 
Finney Is Back said:
The rebuild barely started. Three first team players that the manager hardly had the opportunity to integrate and play before he was sacked.. We’ve been paying the price ever since. Levy sacked by far the best manager he ever got to the club the moment things turned south, ignoring 5 great seasons of work. If only Levy was held to half of that level of expectation himself.
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Yes, the rebuild had barely started, but it was started and with, at the time, our biggest spend in a transfer window. Poch was backed during that window, so it wasn't down to Levy not willing to start a rebuild as you have stated.
 
glasgowspur said:
That is true, but maybe the players not listening should have been shipped out.
Eriksen is the prime example, he was done, he wanted to go, he had given up, but levy would not listen.
Our squad was stale because there was no churn in it, that is as much as a problem as the manager staying top long.
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I must admit I remember now many of the posts you made about Eriksen, about Kane, about something not being right in the dressing room etc and I discounted it (or didn’t want to believe/acknowledge it) but in hindsight I think you were spot on about a lot of things - and were able to be dispassionate in your view of the situation at the time. You were right.
 
Daisuk said:
Exactly. I remember we were decimated and plagued by injuries at the end of last season as well, and a few of us were a bit concerned about how the hell we were going to last playing almost double the amount of games (seeing as we lost in the first round in both cups as well) this season. It's not going too well, is it? Now, we can't know for sure that it's our training or style of play that does this - but it sure looks like it.
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The winless month following that infamous €helsea game last autumn was a harbinger of what’s since become a familiar pattern with our form when van de Ven is out with a hamstring injury.

Dragusin looked like an astute purchase last January but he barely got a start at RCB until Romero inevitably picked up a hamstring injury too and even after he finally got a run in his favoured position this month Radu is dropped as soon as Romero is able to complete one day’s training.

Hopefully the transfer committee have a LCB with robust hamstrings incoming next month so that Gray doesn’t get run into the ground whilst Davies and van de Ven recuperate theirs.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I don't really remember us being second best in many games this season (other than Coventry) when we had a reasonably fit squad.
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Ipswich
Aston villa
Fulham
Arsenal
Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Palace
Brighton (2nd half)
Leicester (2nd half)

The rest when we were second best Ill give you we had more injuries ie Liverpool, Bournemouth but you can argue chelsea we had our defenders back.

We havent played well at all the majority of the season bar I'd say City, Villa, United, Everton, West Ham and Southampton but we certainly had help with some of those games, ie red cards and late goals which didn't reflect the true closeness of the games. In the city game they battered us first 10 mins and second half could have scored, admittedly we played well but had they taken their chances it would have been an entirely different game.
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
I must admit I remember now many of the posts you made about Eriksen, about Kane, about something not being right in the dressing room etc and I discounted it (or didn’t want to believe/acknowledge it) but in hindsight I think you were spot on about a lot of things - and were able to be dispassionate in your view of the situation at the time. You were right.
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Now there's words I don't hear very often!
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Ipswich
Aston villa
Fulham
Arsenal
Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Palace
Brighton (2nd half)
Leicester (2nd half)

The rest when we were second best Ill give you we had more injuries ie Liverpool, Bournemouth but you can argue chelsea we had our defenders back.

We havent played well at all the majority of the season bar I'd say City, Villa, United, Everton, West Ham and Southampton but we certainly had help with some of those games, ie red cards and late goals which didn't reflect the true closeness of the games. In the city game they battered us first 10 mins and second half could have scored, admittedly we played well but had they taken their chances it would have been an entirely different game.
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And if you did that you’d be as ‘naive’ as the person who decided that they were ready to rush back ahead of time. Neither were up to speed or at the right condition to start and it has potentially cost us big. This is my opinion about them not being ready but it was a shock to see them starting, then both were subbed off injured.
 
glasgowspur said:
I don't mind being wrong, everybody is at one point. A lot of discussions on here are subjective and "from a certain point of view" anyone can be right, it's almost always just an opinion or observation, none of it really matters.
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100%. But there are those that will always insist that they were right, and never admit to having been wrong. It’s always about making the opinion of the moment but then being able to revise that opinion depending upon evidence that may be presented later.
 
El Guepardo said:
100%. But there are those that will always insist that they were right, and never admit to having been wrong. It’s always about making the opinion of the moment but then being able to revise that opinion depending upon evidence that may be presented later.
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99% of the time we will never know what happens within the confines of the club, or football in general, it's all speculation.
 
glasgowspur said:
That is true, but maybe the players not listening should have been shipped out.
Eriksen is the prime example, he was done, he wanted to go, he had given up, but levy would not listen.
Our squad was stale because there was no churn in it, that is as much as a problem as the manager staying top long.
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And 7 years of painful rebuilding later we’ve gone from one extreme to another, with most of our first XI here less than 2 seasons plus a new manager who works with entirely different coaching staff at every club he moves to; in stark contrast to Pochettino who still has Perez, Jimenez and D’Agostino with him in USA.

With Davies and Son now in the final year of their contracts, we might have nobody left from those halcyon times remaining in the squad by the start of next season.

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