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Christian Eriksen

JerusalemMan said:
Interesting to read what Sherwood has specifically said in the last couple of days about the deployment of Eriksen. I think there was some criticism of TS for playing him on the left and being blind to his strengths through the centre. Apparently that criticism at least has little foundation:

"“I don’t want him to play wide,” said Sherwood. “I think in my first game at Southampton, he played inside. I think he likes to play on the fringes of it and get the ball in between the lines rather than being on the combative side. He’s a No10 or plays narrow enough on the sides – that’s his position. He plays loose and gets in those sneaky positions, and he can affect it beyond the midfield. If he gets it too deep you’re probably wasting him. [Luka] Modric was similar. Modric played inside so who knows where he [Eriksen] might end up. He wants to learn and will adapt to what he’s asked to do.”"
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Modric best as a number 10?

Can everyone who criticised me for calling Timmeh out as dim please retract their statements. Thanks ;)
 
scaramanga said:
Modric best as a number 10?

Can everyone who criticised me for calling Timmeh out as dim please retract their statements. Thanks ;)
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'If he gets it too deep you're probably wasting him.Modric was similar' I'd agree with that, Modric could hurt teams with his passing when he received the ball further up the field rather than just in front of the back four.

Where did he say Modric is best as a number 10?
 
harr1984 said:
'If he gets it too deep you're probably wasting him.Modric was similar' I'd agree with that, Modric could hurt teams with his passing when he received the ball further up the field rather than just in front of the back four.

Where did he say Modric is best as a number 10?
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In the mind of the man who twists words to suit a preconception.
 
harr1984 said:
'If he gets it too deep you're probably wasting him.Modric was similar' I'd agree with that, Modric could hurt teams with his passing when he received the ball further up the field rather than just in front of the back four.

Where did he say Modric is best as a number 10?
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He describes Eriksen's best position as a 10 and says he's wasted deeper, like Modric is - so the only positions not deeper are a number 10 and a striker. I don't think even Timmeh thinks Modric is a striker.

Your statement about Modric hurting teams further up the field is a bit of a non statement really. Lloris could hurt teams more further up the field than he does in goal - that doesn't mean that it makes sense to lose all of his other good attributes by playing him there.
 
scaramanga said:
He describes Eriksen's best position as a 10 and says he's wasted deeper, like Modric is - so the only positions not deeper are a number 10 and a striker. I don't think even Timmeh thinks Modric is a striker.

Your statement about Modric hurting teams further up the field is a bit of a non statement really. Lloris could hurt teams more further up the field than he does in goal - that doesn't mean that it makes sense to lose all of his other good attributes by playing him there.
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He said 'if he gets it too deep' that means the ball. Like when VDV used to get the ball in deep positions, all pretty pointless and he was a forward. He wasn't talking about a set position. And the only team Lloris would be hurting being further up the field is Spurs :)
 
VdV dropping deep was immensely helpful as he caused an imbalance in the midfield which if not addressed was then exploited by the pair. I can't remember the number of times he came to the halfway line and passed it around the opposition midfield with Modric, but they did it often and the best part was that this created space for others to work in.
 
Cochise said:
Chancer stop being so damn pro Sherwood. I actually went back through the team selections before even writing that out, just to make sure that I wasn't recalling facts wrongly. Eriksen started many games under AVB in the #10 position, the position that he had played in at Ajax for most of his career, to say AVB didn't play him in the correct position is wrong as he played a big part in the results against Norwich and Chelsea at the lane. I never omitted the fact that he went from starting every game to every other after the West Ham loss either. Sherwood has experimented with him and found the best way to make space for the lad to operate in is by using the wonky 442, but that is outside of the current argument here.

Did you read the mirror article??? Sherwood actually says that he told Levy to sign him up in 2011 but nothing about pushing for him in 2013.

“I watched him at 18 at Wembley playing for Denmark [a 2-1 defeat by England in February 2011] and I rang Daniel Levy the day after and said that he needs to sign this boy. A £10m fee later he is finally here, so that is all good news.”

That is the exact quote, he does not say anything like "this summer I insisted that we buy him" etc etc. So there is no elaboration from Sherwood on whether or not he did push for the transfer at committe level, I even said that I thought he had a say in the committee. There is no way I have downplayed his involvement.

For the record, Eriksen was known to many people as a rising star in the game prior to the England game. If you ask around I'm sure you will find quite a few people who had heard of him even then, such was the hype surrounding him at that young age.

So where have I directly fabricated a story to discredit Sherwood?? I stated Eriksen was known to many prior to the England game FACT. I stated that we have no idea whether or not Sherwood pushed for him in 2013 because Sherwood doesn't say that in the article FACT. I stated that AVB did play Eriksen regularly and then less often after the West Ham game, but did not marginalise him as shown by team selections prior to his injury FACT.

I give credit where it's due and I do not tint everything in an AVB light, in all honesty I didn't enjoy watching Tottenham under his tenure.
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Look, I don't want to fight. But let me try to give you an insight into what is driving me to the edge of madness.

It's this:

Eriksen Under AVB
Games available to play: 9
Starts: 5
Start %: 55%
Games finished: 1

Eriksen Under Sherwood
Games available to play: 17
Starts: 15
Start %: 88%
Games finished: 12

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/144130/christian-eriksen?cc=5739
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Christian_Eriksen.html


So my problem is that off the evidence of 5 starts, I have to read posts that go out of their way to praise AVB's handling of Eriksen. At the same time, those same posts are totally silent about Sherwood.

And of course there's a deeper subtext at work: AVB knew what he was doing, he is as responsible for Eriksen's good season as anyone, AVB had a coherent plan for Eriksen...while Sherwood is just riding coat-tails, Sherwood hasn't done anything special, Sherwood has Eriksen just running about a bit.

So, yeah, straight as I can say it, that's what's driving me nuts.

(Apologies for any errors in the stats - I think they're right as per the links).
 
Cristian Eriksen makes Garth Crooks's Team of the Week

MIDFIELDER - Christian Eriksen (Tottenham)

Fulham were desperate for a result at White Hart Lane and, for a moment, they looked worthy of a point.

That was before Christian Eriksen got hold of the game by the scruff of the neck and produced two of the best free-kicks you will ever see.

Fulham's defence appeared paralysed by the speed and penetration of the crosses.

It is hardly surprising that Spurs manager Tim Sherwood isn't particularly interested whether anchorman Sandro is fit or not.

The way Eriksen is playing, I don't think he cares.

Did you know?

Only Liverpool's Luis Suarez has assisted as many Premier League goals in 2014 - seven - as Eriksen.

Team of the Week
 
THFC6061 said:
Cristian Eriksen makes Garth Crooks's Team of the Week

MIDFIELDER - Christian Eriksen (Tottenham)

Fulham were desperate for a result at White Hart Lane and, for a moment, they looked worthy of a point.

That was before Christian Eriksen got hold of the game by the scruff of the neck and produced two of the best free-kicks you will ever see.

Fulham's defence appeared paralysed by the speed and penetration of the crosses.

It is hardly surprising that Spurs manager Tim Sherwood isn't particularly interested whether anchorman Sandro is fit or not.

The way Eriksen is playing, I don't think he cares.

Did you know?

Only Liverpool's Luis Suarez has assisted as many Premier League goals in 2014 - seven - as Eriksen.

Team of the Week
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Haha even crooks had to take a potshot at the Sandro situation :)
 
harr1984 said:
He said 'if he gets it too deep' that means the ball. Like when VDV used to get the ball in deep positions, all pretty pointless and he was a forward. He wasn't talking about a set position. And the only team Lloris would be hurting being further up the field is Spurs :)
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So why bring up the two together if you're not comparing the same position?

Why not say the same about Kyle Walker, or Sandro, or Ade? He's comparing the two as number 10s because that's what he thinks they both are.
 
JerusalemMan said:
Interesting to read what Sherwood has specifically said in the last couple of days about the deployment of Eriksen. I think there was some criticism of TS for playing him on the left and being blind to his strengths through the centre. Apparently that criticism at least has little foundation:

"“I don’t want him to play wide,” said Sherwood. “I think in my first game at Southampton, he played inside. I think he likes to play on the fringes of it and get the ball in between the lines rather than being on the combative side. He’s a No10 or plays narrow enough on the sides – that’s his position. He plays loose and gets in those sneaky positions, and he can affect it beyond the midfield. If he gets it too deep you’re probably wasting him. [Luka] Modric was similar. Modric played inside so who knows where he [Eriksen] might end up. He wants to learn and will adapt to what he’s asked to do.”"
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Sherwood cant even be consistent within the same paragraph
 
JerusalemMan said:
Interesting to read what Sherwood has specifically said in the last couple of days about the deployment of Eriksen. I think there was some criticism of TS for playing him on the left and being blind to his strengths through the centre. Apparently that criticism at least has little foundation:

"“I don’t want him to play wide,” said Sherwood. “I think in my first game at Southampton, he played inside. I think he likes to play on the fringes of it and get the ball in between the lines rather than being on the combative side. He’s a No10 or plays narrow enough on the sides – that’s his position. He plays loose and gets in those sneaky positions, and he can affect it beyond the midfield. If he gets it too deep you’re probably wasting him. [Luka] Modric was similar. Modric played inside so who knows where he [Eriksen] might end up. He wants to learn and will adapt to what he’s asked to do.”"
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In all the recent hysteria people seem to have missed that our forward midfielders have been playing with amazing fluidity recently. You can see it in the heat/passing maps.

Chadli, Eriksen and Lennon have been swapping around all over the place, supported by Ade and Kane dropping back in support from time to time, or Soldado patrolling the whole line in the SCBC game. We've also had Paulinho, at last, playing a bit better and popping up in advanced central positions.

All this is part of the reason we've scored so many goals recently...it's not an accident.
 
I'm no Tim fan, but some of the above is really splitting hairs.

Madrid was an excellent player in advanced positions - but in the right formation.
As we played 2in the middle it made sense for him sit deeper recycle possession and dictate the tempo, allowing him to pop up in the no10 slot when on the attack so he could slide players in (something soldado would love btw!)

Modric also played his first season on the left, playing narrow. ( and showed glimpses but in general wasn't convincing)
He worked to become a cm improving positioning, strength and an ability to not get beaten in a physical battle.

Eriksen may do the same and if he does he will add the goal threat Modric never possessed.
 
monkeybarry said:
I'm no Tim fan, but some of the above is really splitting hairs.

Madrid was an excellent player in advanced positions - but in the right formation.
As we played 2in the middle it made sense for him sit deeper recycle possession and dictate the tempo, allowing him to pop up in the no10 slot when on the attack so he could slide players in (something soldado would love btw!)

Modric also played his first season on the left, playing narrow. ( and showed glimpses but in general wasn't convincing)
He worked to become a cm improving positioning, strength and an ability to not get beaten in a physical battle.

Eriksen may do the same and if he does he will add the goal threat Modric never possessed.
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and using a chainsaw to do so.
 
chancer said:
In all the recent hysteria people seem to have missed that our forward midfielders have been playing with amazing fluidity recently. You can see it in the heat/passing maps.

Chadli, Eriksen and Lennon have been swapping around all over the place, supported by Ade and Kane dropping back in support from time to time, or Soldado patrolling the whole line in the SCBC game. We've also had Paulinho, at last, playing a bit better and popping up in advanced central positions.

All this is part of the reason we've scored so many goals recently...it's not an accident.
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bruv it is completely by accident, dont you know that Tim just tells them to run around a bit, and any improvement to players or results are incidental...... have to say he has done/said some unfortunate things though..... sitting in the stands at liverpool tops the list for me, I could even get behind the Chelsea rant if he didn't do that, or the fact as soon as we beat southamton at home he was quick to say that 'my rant didn't do the players any harm did it' no need for that Tim.
 
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