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Danny Rose

milo said:
I can understand players seeing people getting paid more elsewhere and wanting the same. Especially, when they have an agent egging them on with a view to their cut. Whilst we may have a little headroom, I cannot see how we can depart far from our current wage structure.
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neither do i and up until this summer i thought we had a couple of years before we started to lose players because of it - im now looking at it wondering whether the greatest Spurs team i have ever seen is about to be broken up before it had a chance to actually achieve anything
 
Nigeyman said:
Well then it seems we're showing less appreciation to our players than wet spam are...Hernandez is on more than Kane probably and they want to bump lanzini up to 85k a week...compare that to the likes of our players wages and you can see a disgruntled players point.

I dunno the ins and outs of our finances tbh so I'll take what you say on the chin.
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We are not going to want to go far over 50% of turnover

SteveAWOL said:
Indeed. Just that £42m increase would bring our wages-to-turnover ratio up to over 70% which could put Tottenham in dire straits further down the line, should the TV revenue bubble burst...

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billyiddo said:
neither do i and up until this summer i thought we had a couple of years before we started to lose players because of it - im now looking at it wondering whether the greatest Spurs team i have ever seen is about to be broken up before it had a chance to actually achieve anything
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I still think that we are good for a couple of years. I'm sure that Walker will be the only decent player to leave and that we will strengthen before the end of the window.
 
milo said:
We are not going to want to go far over 50% of turnover
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i done the (basic) maths earlier following my post regarding this table - if our revenue increases to around the 260m mark from last season (209) because of the new tv deal that would make 55% of our turnover about 30m higher than it was last season, or about £570,000 p/w - not exactly chump change and would allow us to raise (for example) 10 players wages by 57k

obviously the above is a crude working out but you get the gist
 
milo said:
I still think that we are good for a couple of years. I'm sure that Walker will be the only decent player to leave and that we will strengthen before the end of the window.
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I really hope you are right. It feels like we're on a real tipping point at the moment, where things could fall apart, or we could cement our place in the top 4. I dont believe that our 'net spend of zero' is a sustainable long-term transfer policy but just hope it is for this window
 
I predicted all this once we made the decision to sell Walker to city.

I'm still staggered at that decision to weaken our first 11, weaken our squad and strenghthen a rival.

It's also set a dangerous precendent and now look at what has happened.

Levy and Poch are very very good at their jobs but they are human and can make mistakes and I'm afraid the decision to sell Walker was an almighty mistake in my view.

It still angers me greatly that they did that. In much the same way as it angers me that they spent 30m on sissoko.

But the Walker decision was worse and the last thing we needed was all this going into a season at Wembley.

I get the lack of signings, we don't really need anyone and our squad isn't as weak as some think when all are fit but for fudge sake do not sell ANY of your best players.

We should have nipped this so predictable issue in the bud when it started with Walker - telling him your not going anywhere, end of. Instead he causes a little friction with Poch and we then say ''as long as we get the right bid you can go.'' So so very dissapointing.

A meeting should have been held with all the players outlining clearly how hugely ambitious we are and that due to that none of them will be sold under any circumstances.
 
Robspur12 said:
Sorry Parklane, I respect your posts immensely and you are clearly a devoted fan; but at the end of last season you were not satisfied with our second place finish in itself. You made several posts then and since stating we must win a trophy soon to stop our best players leaving. Well how do we do that unless we bring in the quality players that strengthen our squad and keep hold of the quality players we have? You cannot have it both ways!

For me Danny Rose is correct to at least ask questions about the fact that not only have we not bought anyone in this transfer window but we have sold a first team regular to the team that finished only one place below us.

Watching Danny Rose play for Spurs all these years you know that one thing that makes him stand out from others is his desire to win. I love his passion. He is the type of player we absolutely must keep - even more than Walker and I was gutted to lose him.

If he is indeed being courted by Chelsea and Man Utd then it should tell us how good he is, I don't blame him if he goes and earns himself more money. It is up to the club to match the ambition of these talented players on the pitch as well as off it or we will always take one step forward and 2 back. That is the reality of modern football.
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Firstly mate thank you for saying that.

You are of course right i have said i want us to win things and the longer we go without doing that the more chance we have of losing our better players ( lets be honest is does not take a genius to see that). To be honest i think we have been good enough to have won a trophy over the last couple of years at least but our priorty has been to finish in the top four ( at least it seems that most fans want it that way).

I have no objection to us bringing in better players ( lets be honest we would struggle to get better players then what we have in the first eleven anyway). The problem we have is we are not financially doped so any fan who thinks we can compete for the real top players ( the ones that go to those financially doped clubs) are living in cloud cuckoo lane ( imo).

The only way we can do that is to forget the structure that has bought us so far over the last several years and start throwing money about we DO NOT have.

As for Danny Rose i do not blame him in the slightest for wanting to earn more money ( just like i do not mind any of our players for wanting to do that). However i do object to him mouthing off to the media the way he has, if he is not happy here then he should ask for a transfer and take it from there. I posted elsewhere that Rose is now 27 and over the last 4 seasons he has missed 60 prem games ( mostly through injury) and the injurys are not going to get less the older he gets.

To sum up Rose has every right to want to earn more and if he has to leave to do so then good luck to him. But by doing what he has done he has alienated a lot of fans, i would imagine he has upset some of the players and would have tinkled of Poch. Having worked with youngsters who have played the game for a living i can honestly say that the average footballer is not the brightest spark on the block but Rose has made himself look thick to a lot of fans i have spoke to since this came out.
 
billyiddo said:
i done the (basic) maths earlier following my post regarding this table - if our revenue increases to around the 260m mark from last season (209) because of the new tv deal that would make 55% of our turnover about 30m higher than it was last season, or about £570,000 p/w - not exactly chump change and would allow us to raise (for example) 10 players wages by 57k

obviously the above is a crude working out but you get the gist
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The question is, how much of this was spent on the improved deals last season? I also doubt that the club would be comfortable going as high as 55% as anything other than a short term measure.
 
AdamB said:
I really hope you are right. It feels like we're on a real tipping point at the moment, where things could fall apart, or we could cement our place in the top 4. I dont believe that our 'net spend of zero' is a sustainable long-term transfer policy but just hope it is for this window
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They could also fall apart if we spunk a load of money that we don't have. There are no risk free options here.
 
Somehow I struggle to feel sorry for someone who earns more in a year than most people will earn in a lifetime.

Unfortunately obscene wages is the norm these days. I look forward to the day football implodes financially, and hope I will live to see it. This brick happening now is not good for anyone but the financially doped clubs and other rich clubs, who will only cement their positions at the top furter, unless something is done to stop it. Wage caps, squad size limits, less agent influence - I can think of many places to start for football's governing bodies. If they want to act, which I'm sure they don't as long as their pockets keep filling.

Depressing, really.

And what a cringeworthy clusterfudge of an interview. Extremely poor judgement by not so young Danny there. I'm undecided whether we should look to get rid or not. Fans certainly won't cut him much slack after this. And does he have the required trust from Poch and his teammates now? Then again; selling him too to a rival would be a massive mistake and send out the completely wrong signals.

fudge me what a mess.
 
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milo said:
The question is, how much of this was spent on the improved deals last season? I also doubt that the club would be comfortable going as high as 55% as anything other than a short term measure.
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Sorry, i was actually working off the basis that we were currently running at 55% - not 48%, so with that in mind even if we stay at our current percentage of turnover we can still increase wages by the amount previously stated.

Fair point on the recent wave of contract extensions, though I'm not sure they went up that much
 
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