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Danny Rose

What's he said that's incorrect?

Seriously?

It's pretty much what Spurs fans have been saying all summer.

If it takes one player to break rank to get it all sorted so be it.

It's about the extremely unnecessary media tossfest that inevitably would follow what he said. He must've known this brickstorm was coming. And it can't be good for the football we're supposed to play on the pitch (which it really is all about), all the attention going to brick like this, media spinning story after story about a group of players supposedly being unhappy with their situation. It's flimflam. How many players signed new contracts for us during the past year? And now all of a sudden, they can't wait to get away from the team to earn more somewhere else? And that's something a supposed "hero" like Rose called the club out on? To "sort out" the minimum wages they reluctantly agreed to in their new contracts they all signed last year? It's laughable.
 
This is also an immensely stupid move from Rose because of the timing.

In any other year, at any other point in his contract, the player would have all the power to force our hand into selling. Right now, at the start of a long contract, in a World Cup season, coming from a player who is still trying to recover from a lengthy injury - for once the club has all the power.

We should also carefully consider the moral hazard in this. After what he's done, we absolutely cannot allow there to be any hint of this being a win for Rose - it will only encourage others to do the same. That means no payrise this summer, no move to his boyhood club of Manchester <insert the highest wage payer here> FC, no automatically getting back into the first team when he recovers, etc. We hold the ultimate trump card - he can rot in the reserves until after the World Cup and we'd lose next to nothing between now and then in transfer value, or he can get back to work, apologise to the whole team for being a clam and earn himself a better contract or a move next summer.
 
This is all fudging depressing isn't it.

So it seems in the papers that we may be looking to fine Rose 2 weeks wages. If true, a big if, how can we then give him a pay rise?

Can only see one outcome if we fine him. No way we would fine him and then say, well done, you deserve a raise.

If we sign a few players though, and don't fine Rose and then give him a pay rise, would you still want him at the club? I'm now torn...
Since your weekly wages are so low, Danny then you won't mind being fined a couple of them.
 
The issue is not Danny Rose per se, it is the current free market of football. Forget for a moment the vastly inflated salaries of footballers and just imagine in any profession, would it be wrong to want to be at the top, achieve the honours and be paid the same as the other similar level members of the same profession? Isn't that called ambition? That is why I don't see what Rose has done wrong. The issue of whether I agree with footballers' wages is irrelevant because they are what they are and not likely to change soon. Btw David Pleat reminds me too much of darker times at Tottenham, we are in a much better place now, thanks to Poch, Danny Rose etc, so I have very little interest in his opinions. After all didn't he leave a smaller club to manage Spurs back in 1987?
Employers don't pay tens of millions of pounds for employees.
 
Who: Hertyid
Where: COYS
When: 10th August

hertyid: Apparently it wasn't just Poch that was angry at the training ground today. What an idiot. He should fire his agent. World Cup year, been injured 6 months during which time Davies has really developed as a player (and much younger), no guarantee he will reclaim first choice at LB. See Walker last season. Idiot.

Here's some "ITK" at complete contradiction with todays papers.
 
The issue is not Danny Rose per se, it is the current free market of football. Forget for a moment the vastly inflated salaries of footballers and just imagine in any profession, would it be wrong to want to be at the top, achieve the honours and be paid the same as the other similar level members of the same profession? Isn't that called ambition? That is why I don't see what Rose has done wrong. The issue of whether I agree with footballers' wages is irrelevant because they are what they are and not likely to change soon. Btw David Pleat reminds me too much of darker times at Tottenham, we are in a much better place now, thanks to Poch, Danny Rose etc, so I have very little interest in his opinions. After all didn't he leave a smaller club to manage Spurs back in 1987?

I hope I am not taking your quote out of context. But, (per the bolded part), do you not see why people think Rose has done wrong here?
It's not a case of whether or not his opinions are right or wrong. They are his opinions and he has a right to hold them.
There is no argument that our players are underpaid compared to many of their peers.
There is little argument that we need probably 3 players into the squad this summer. There may be argument over whether they need to be "big names" (and what constitutes a "big name") versus decent squad players or younger players with development prospects.
There is no argument that our players want to win trophies. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.

But what Rose has done wrong (for many fans) is a) in his choice of how he has expressed these views publicly; and b) the timing.
The fact that it is the second time he has done it points clearly to an agenda. Many people, myself included, gave him the benefit of the doubt with the 5Live interview at the end of last season. Maybe we didn't want to believe there was any ulterior motive in what he was saying. It was an interview with his mate Jenas and he was just answering what he was asked (we thought).
This time he has made the effort to arrange a non-club authorised interview to speak out, not just about being underpaid, but to criticise his manager's transfer policy, to criticise the club's lack of ambition, to criticise the standard of his team-mates outside of our first 11.
It's looking at the whole of what he said, rather than each individual comment which on their own, may not seem too bad.

As for the timing, why this week? Why just before we start the season? How can it do anything other than draw all media pressure towards us and away from our rivals?
I also don't for one minute believe most of the players would be happy with the way he has gone about this.

I'm keen to see how this all pans out. He needs to stay this season, and earn his place. Otherwise speaking out against the club in the media could be seen as an easy way for any player to engineer a move. But that doesn't fit with Poch's attitude towards ill-discipline (which this could be viewed as being). I don't think we'll sell him this summer, but he has a huge amount of work to do to regain all the goodwill he has now lost. If he cares, of course.

It's a huge distraction that we don't need and has been stirred up totally unnecessarily.
 
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Who: Hertyid
Where: COYS
When: 10th August

hertyid: Apparently it wasn't just Poch that was angry at the training ground today. What an idiot. He should fire his agent. World Cup year, been injured 6 months during which time Davies has really developed as a player (and much younger), no guarantee he will reclaim first choice at LB. See Walker last season. Idiot.

Here's some "ITK" at complete contradiction with todays papers.
How is that itk?:confused:
 
Who: Hertyid
Where: COYS
When: 10th August

hertyid: Apparently it wasn't just Poch that was angry at the training ground today. What an idiot. He should fire his agent. World Cup year, been injured 6 months during which time Davies has really developed as a player (and much younger), no guarantee he will reclaim first choice at LB. See Walker last season. Idiot.

Here's some "ITK" at complete contradiction with todays papers.

Wut? That ITK sounds far more plausible than the absolute fudging tripe coming out of the gutter press.
 
This is also an immensely stupid move from Rose because of the timing.

In any other year, at any other point in his contract, the player would have all the power to force our hand into selling. Right now, at the start of a long contract, in a World Cup season, coming from a player who is still trying to recover from a lengthy injury - for once the club has all the power.

We should also carefully consider the moral hazard in this. After what he's done, we absolutely cannot allow there to be any hint of this being a win for Rose - it will only encourage others to do the same. That means no payrise this summer, no move to his boyhood club of Manchester <insert the highest wage payer here> FC, no automatically getting back into the first team when he recovers, etc. We hold the ultimate trump card - he can rot in the reserves until after the World Cup and we'd lose next to nothing between now and then in transfer value, or he can get back to work, apologise to the whole team for being a clam and earn himself a better contract or a move next summer.

Third and fourth options would be to rot somewhere like Stoke on loan. Oh boy would he be found out! But at least he'd be closer to his Mummy. As thick as he obviously is, I still cannot believe that he said something that utterly macaronic...
 
Third and fourth options would be to rot somewhere like Stoke on loan. Oh boy would he be found out! But at least he'd be closer to his Mummy. As thick as he obviously is, I still cannot believe that he said something that utterly macaronic...
Imagine the reaction from a Stoke team if he turned up there and told them he'd had to Google them all. He'd break his leg in the first training session.
 
No. Most footballers are fudging idiots - that's why they're almost all terrible pundits.
While I agree that footballers don't tend to be amongst those with the highest IQs, they do tend to know who is and isn't a good player based on training with and playing with/against them. Punditary is a very different thing as it involves being able to clearly articulate, which is something that relatively few footballers are able to do.

I would certainly trust Danny Rose's opinion of whether Barkley would or wouldn't improve the squad at Spurs over the likes of the opinions of you and Gutter Boy for example.... unless the pair of you have secretly been training with Marcus Edwards and Ross Barkley for Spurs/England?
 
Well done the Press. A couple of seasons of threatening the Sky dominance and we appear to be their main target. After this mornings stories of heroes welcome in the dressing room and possible revolt, I will be amazed if we come away with a point on Sunday and the following weekend too.

Congratulations to all involved
Nothing to dowith the press.... they are merely reporting a story gift-wrapped to them from Rose.
 
I hope I am not taking your quote out of context. But, (per the bolded part), do you not see why people think Rose has done wrong here?
It's not a case of whether or not his opinions are right or wrong. They are his opinions and he has a right to hold them.
There is no argument that our players are underpaid compared to many of their peers.
There is little argument that we need probably 3 players into the squad this summer. There may be argument over whether they need to be "big names" (and what constitutes a "big name") versus decent squad players or younger players with development prospects.
There is no argument that our players want to win trophies. I'd be disappointed if they didn't.

But what Rose has done wrong (for many fans) is a) in his choice of how he has expressed these views publicly; and b) the timing.
The fact that it is the second time he has done it points clearly to an agenda. Many people, myself included, gave him the benefit of the doubt with the 5Live interview at the end of last season. Maybe we didn't want to believe there was any ulterior motive in what he was saying. It was an interview with his mate Jenas and he was just answering what he was asked (we thought).
This time he has made the effort to arrange a non-club authorised interview to speak out, not just about being underpaid, but to criticise his manager's transfer policy, to criticise the club's lack of ambition, to criticise the standard of his team-mates outside of our first 11.
It's looking at the whole of what he said, rather than each individual comment which on their own, may not seem too bad.

As for the timing, why this week? Why just before we start the season? How can it do anything other than draw all media pressure towards us and away from our rivals?
I also don't for one minute believe most of the players would be happy with the way he has gone about this.

I'm keen to see how this all pans out. He needs to stay this season, and earn his place. Otherwise speaking out against the club in the media could be seen as an easy way for any player to engineer a move. But that doesn't fit with Poch's attitude towards ill-discipline (which this could be viewed as being). I don't think we'll sell him this summer, but he had a huge amount of work to do to regain all the goodwill he has now lost. If he cares, of course.

It's a huge distraction that we don't need and has been stirred up totally unnecessarily.
Good points mate . I take a different view on this . I don't think Danny Rose's comments will make any difference to the pressure we are under. Every neutral observer knows we are the only club in the PL not to have signed anyone - an extraordinary gamble given that we have also sold our first choice right back to a close rival. I am far more concerned about that than a silly newspaper article. All the observers will be looking for us to fail irrespective of his comments. I will have more issues if he decides to strike and not play a la Berbatov and Keane.

As I have said the guy is passionate it's up to us to direct his passion into the game.which Poch has done magnificently up until his injury. Imo he is one of our key players.

Btw I would gonad him for doing an unauthorized interview to the newspaper as any employee in any organisation would if they did a similar thing, but not for holding those views.
 
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Firstly, can I just say Danny Rose is a little clam and I hope Dier breaks his leg in training.

However, this has got me thinking about our wages:

Obviously players have to accept that we can't pay as much as richer clubs.

But how much of the club's revenue is going to the new stadium? I could understand players being tinkled off at that - that effectively their wages are reduced to pay for a new stadium, whose financial benefit will be enjoyed more by other players in the future than them - the players who effectively helped pay to build it.

Also, we made a 33m profit last year, have got extra TV money this year, and have so far made about 80m net in transfer fees in this window - again, maybe fair enough to feel tinkled off that some of this money isn't going towards increased wages for all?
 
This is also an immensely stupid move from Rose because of the timing.

In any other year, at any other point in his contract, the player would have all the power to force our hand into selling. Right now, at the start of a long contract, in a World Cup season, coming from a player who is still trying to recover from a lengthy injury - for once the club has all the power.

We should also carefully consider the moral hazard in this. After what he's done, we absolutely cannot allow there to be any hint of this being a win for Rose - it will only encourage others to do the same. That means no payrise this summer, no move to his boyhood club of Manchester <insert the highest wage payer here> FC, no automatically getting back into the first team when he recovers, etc. We hold the ultimate trump card - he can rot in the reserves until after the World Cup and we'd lose next to nothing between now and then in transfer value, or he can get back to work, apologise to the whole team for being a clam and earn himself a better contract or a move next summer.

I agree. Hold onto him until we choose to sell and then on our terms. Tell him to keep his diary clear on Wednesday nights and if he plays up, have him train with the development squad. He will have to play ball if he wants to go to the Euros next summer. Given his age and injury record, it could be his last chance.
 
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