Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Without a shadow of doubt.
I want to see him in his best position at right back. Won't be far off the national team.
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Djed Spence
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I want to see him in his best position at right back. Won't be far off the national team.
SteveAWOL
Paul Stewart
Oh Lordy, surely Spence must be aware of what happened when Kane used lion pics in his Twitter posts
Bishop
Frederic Kanoute
Let's be real, Ange didn't rate Spence and circumstance have forced him to give him a go. He's playing well as far as we are concerned but maybe Ange still doesn't really see it, so the wording does make sense when you look at how Ange has used him.
Mrs Vert
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Yeh I guess we will see how he uses him, if we ever get a full team fit again
Bishop
Frederic Kanoute
I would argue that Spence has at this point forced his way into the first team reckoning but I guess we'll have to wait and see how Ange sees it.
Don't agree, he was giving him minutes off the bench right from the very start of the season - he hadn't done that with Spence before, he had shipped him out as soon as he could previously, so there was a clear change in thinking from that pre season. Then he got injured. Ange literally said it there, he had to mature - I doubt he would be saying that publicly without DJed acknowledging that was the case. Neil Warnock said he would be 'Premier League or non League', he got his loan from Leeds cancelled early, previous to joining Spurs there was talk about him having a questionable attitude etc
There are things that unfortunately you and I don't see which means just because a manager doesn't pick a player doesn't mean he doesn't rate him as a footballer. Attitude is a massive aspect at this level. Whatever it was, he's applying himself right now that's for sure - could even be in part down to the manager, heaven forbid.....
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
It is funny isn't it, a player who wasn't proven, comes through and does well (exceptionally well) and rather than praise the manager for this, there is a whinging narrative about Postecoglou! Why not: well done Ange for managing him well?
Spence had a task today - which Postecoglou prepared him for, which was to go up against Muembo. Ange has found that Spence relishes going toe to toe with elite wingers and if Ange pushes his buttons he responds with these MOM performances. Same going up against Salah. Listen to the Ange's press conference for this insight.
But rather than see some good management, those with an agenda whinge on!
Bishop
Frederic Kanoute
He got 63 minutes combined across the first 8 games of the season four of those games he never even saw the pitch. Then the injury after he returned he still was sat on the bench and didn't come on even though Udogie was visibly struggling for all of us to see for a further 4 games. He literally only started playing once the backline was so ravaged that he covered for first Porro against Southampton and then started covering for the now injured Udogie.
So you might say attitude issues although we've never had any real claims that he's been an issue at Spurs but I would counter and say just look at the games he played and the games he was selected for and it lines up perfectly with an injury enforced inclusion and nothing more.
Now for me it's perfectly acceptable for Ange to have been wrong in not including him more earlier as long as he starts to use him fully. The words he used are concerning but maybe just an awkward answer rather than anything deeper.
It's not about how many minutes, the fact was Ange clearly saw a change in attitude/maturity or whatever that pre season because he involved him as opposed to do what he did previously and just loan him out with no opportunity. He was never going to just come in and replace Porto or Udogie, unless they got injured - this was at start of the season when rotation is not needed - he would have to earn it and perhaps Ange was analysing his attitude at being left on the bench sporadically being given minutes and seeing if he would knuckle down or do the opposite. If he didn't rate him Spence would have been sold/loaned out again but he wanted to use him this season.
Yes he was given more game time when injuries happened, not sure what the issue is with that? Hes a squad player that's usually what happens, and you have to take your chance when it comes your way. Hes done that, and made himself almost undroppable - happy days....
Bullet
Chris Jones
No, Porro and Udogie were flogged 90 90 90 90 90 90 and limping. Meanwhile Spence sat on the bench. Don't try and rewrite history. It was super painful to see those guys struggling whilst our best* fullback was sat watching.
*Currently
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Gray covered Porro. Porro has played well and it is only now that Gray is playing CB that we are a bit stretched. Yet we have a new CB, one returning, and a host of left backs. This whole whinging narrative is a bit pathetic.
RunTMC
Luke Young
You make some great points that I hadn’t fully thought about. I’m looking at it from a slightly different angle.
On the boded bit, I think hindsight has shown us that possibly rotating from the very beginning probably would’ve prevented many of the injuries and fatigue issues we’ve seen with the squad, considering Ange’s style of play and training.
The other point I want to make is your thought that possibly Ange was testing Spence’s maturity and how he would handle being on the bench and given sporadic minutes.
I think there’s probably some truth in that. However I question whether the outcome of Udogie’s form and injury and Porro’s legginess, whether those outcomes were worth testing the maturity of the so-called bench player. Was that trade-off worth it? Udiogie had a lengthy injury last year and another this year. I just feel a better balance could have been struck to protect him. Thankfully Porro’s not injured, though a little leggy at times.
Mrs Vert
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Same with Reg now. He at times had chance to rest porro and play Spence and Reg and still won't .
Ange can be a weird one to understand. Like most managers I guess. All fans question their managers logic.
But I feel when people are back. Spence is back on bench and see less mins. Hope I'm wrong
Ange can be a weird one to understand. Like most managers I guess. All fans question their managers logic.
But I feel when people are back. Spence is back on bench and see less mins. Hope I'm wrong
RigorMortis
Carlo Cudicini
I think in this case it’s just a poor choice of words and probably not worth delving in any deeper.
However as you said it’s clear that until maybe that Southampton game, he wasn’t getting much of a look in until he was forced to.
It will be interesting to see what happens once Udogie is back, imo Spence is superior option as a right back than Porto. How he is used moving forward will be interesting.
Not rewriting history at all. Very start of the season, second game he came on for the last twenty minutes against Everton for Udogie so there was clear intention to rotate/rest Udogie but problem was Spence got injured, and as soon as he was back on the bench people expected him to be playing without having any idea of his physical situation and if he required more time before getting minutes again. Why would Ange be resting players at the start of the season when we have one game a week anyway?
The facts are Ange had shown no interest previously in involving Spence because of his 'maturity' and couldn't wait to ship him out on loan twice. Then last pre season he must have seen a change in him because he kept him around for that pre season, which he went on to prove himself - if he didn't rate him or want him he would have been sent on loan or sold it really is that simple....
Yeah I'm not arguing about more rotation etc just the idea that Ange didn't rate Spence and only played him because he had to. There were a few signs, right back to pre season when there was talk that Spence had impressed Ange in that pre season and he was going to give him the opportunity.
For what it's worth, I think it's more the case with Reggie that Ange didn't particularly rate/want him but couldn't get rid of him and had to integrate him back into the squad and when our situation got really bad had to use him - I think this scenario is far more applicable with Reggie than Spence....
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Difference being that Spence is clearly a player Ange rates. And imo Spence is a player that clearly suits this system whereas Reguilon quite clearly doesn't.
Time will tell if we ever have the three of them fully fit at the same time. I think people underestimate Porro a bit and also underestimate how important his passing is to us.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
I’d like to see him on the right because that’s his normal side