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Dominic Solanke

ricky2tricky4city said:
Not to turn another subject into a Bournemouth comparison :).... considering they play a high energy game how did they use Solanke as he was scoring regularly (I wonder what his data was like for that season..was he over performing Xg etc?)
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Part of the answer is of course the data from last season

Solanke 19 goals, 3 assists
Semenyo 8, 2
Kluivert 7, 1
Senesi 4, 5
Tavernier 3, 4
(Rest of team got not more than 2 goals / assists each)
Solanke had 2 penalties, 4 headers and the rest were mostly right footed shots. Only one listed as a tap in.
Bournemouth 54 goals or, 67 against, -13 GD
12th place finish.

Interesting that 2 of the defenders were in 4th and 5th place in the goal contribution stats and had the most assists.

If I interpret the data correctly Solanke was getting assisted from his other 2 forwards. They were coming from elsewhere in the team. Perhaps the other 2 forwards were acting as foils and creating him the space. Is that happening in Ange's setup?
 
Muttley said:
I didn't see the game, but have felt the same a lot over the time he's been at Spurs. Would it really hurt for his team mates to get some crosses into his zones?
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Or some through-balls....

I have to say though, our forward/attacking play is getting worse and almost now as bad as our defending...
 
Muttley said:
Part of the answer is of course the data from last season

Solanke 19 goals, 3 assists
Semenyo 8, 2
Kluivert 7, 1
Senesi 4, 5
Tavernier 3, 4
(Rest of team got not more than 2 goals / assists each)
Solanke had 2 penalties, 4 headers and the rest were mostly right footed shots. Only one listed as a tap in.
Bournemouth 54 goals or, 67 against, -13 GD
12th place finish.

Interesting that 2 of the defenders were in 4th and 5th place in the goal contribution stats and had the most assists.

If I interpret the data correctly Solanke was getting assisted from his other 2 forwards. They were coming from elsewhere in the team. Perhaps the other 2 forwards were acting as foils and creating him the space. Is that happening in Ange's setup?
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The average range of his shots was super low
Thee are some good videos on this
 
Not being harsh on him, but long term, I just don't see this lad as being the one for us or anyone for lofty ambitions. Works hard, runs channels, but no real x factor or strikers instinct IMO, I don't also think the runs he makes when we run the wings as being that intelligent. One where I think we went so long without Kane that we just convinced ourselves for 65m or whatever it was, that it was good business
 
He hasn't had much rotation, and has had a couple of injuries, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Wasn't a good game from him today though. He might chance down defenders when we don't have the ball, but he doesn't seem to give him self as an option as we try and play forward. Just makes it easy for the defender to get the ball off him.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Not being harsh on him, but long term, I just don't see this lad as being the one for us or anyone for lofty ambitions. Works hard, runs channels, but no real x factor or strikers instinct IMO, I don't also think the runs he makes when we run the wings as being that intelligent. One where I think we went so long without Kane that we just convinced ourselves for 65m or whatever it was, that it was good business
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We've spent 115 million on non scoring strikers tbh

Both work their arses off
 
Grays_1890 said:
Yeh, I am not knocking eithers ability to work hard. But in terms of, pick the ball up run with it, or produce 25 yards out once in a while.

Real lack of anything that makes you go "yeh I am having him"
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He had a couple of chances today a top striker would have taken at least one

He's never been deadly at this level
 
Legohamster said:
He had a couple of chances today a top striker would have taken at least one

He's never been deadly at this level
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Also he never seems to check his run, when we run the wings, he runs full tilt on the shoulder or ontop of the keeper, if he checked his run for space in the box a couple of times he would fill his boots........just doesn't seem to have that striker smarts
 
Said after about 10 game he wasn’t the grade (on this thread). You don’t need stats, you can see his skill set. Everything is a tiny bit slower than it should be. And for his size he’s also never close to scoring headers.

If we want someone to work hard, you can pick grafters up for £10m.

Delap is an upgrade - much much sharper.
 
I think right now it's a little unfair to fully define who/what Solanke is as a striker. Currently he is our only hold-up forward. Usually, Deki shares that load and brings a considerable physical presence to the game, which somewhat allows Solanke a little more freedom. No excuses for anything here, but the loss of Deki is severely impacting us. It's an in injury we need resolved by the time we head to Germany if we want any hope of staying in the Europa IMO.
 
I like his work rate. But he is definately NOT a top class striker. Can never see him digging out a goal when we are struggling, like Kane used to do all the time. He doesnt really make space fir himself to get bricks off like Kane used to for fun. Yes its not his fault hes not Harry. No one is. But for the money we spent on him id like to see a striker with a nose to sniff out goals.
 
Welshspur60 said:
I like his work rate. But he is definately NOT a top class striker. Can never see him digging out a goal when we are struggling, like Kane used to do all the time. He doesnt really make space fir himself to get bricks off like Kane used to for fun. Yes its not his fault hes not Harry. No one is. But for the money we spent on him id like to see a striker with a nose to sniff out goals.
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I think he was a good 10-15 mill overrated/inflated by our need for a 9. When you look at his wages, it tells you he is a really good forward but not elite.
 
Part of the problem is like I said very early on this season, we don't create for him. As a fan base we've gotten used to the exploits of Kane, a striker who tbh for long periods of time we didn't really create for either but his own ability to shift the ball and shoot accurately from pretty anywhere in the final 3rd made him an absolute threat.

Now we have a more traditional lower class striker who requires service. Where is he going to get that from? Son? Who can't run anymore, can't beat his man any more and was never someone who excelled in terms of creating and execution other than being a singular force of nature that made brick just happen? Johnson? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So who is creating for him? Some might say Madison currently but that again puts all the onus on that singular creative player to be the creation hub but Madison isn't even good enough to be that player if we are honest.

So while I think Solanke can be improved upon I think unless you're getting a striker in the Kane mould whoever the new guy is he might get a few more goals but the same issue will persist. In this system with these wide players the striker will never get good service, they will never receive quality passes into their running step.
 
I'm not sure how much of an excuse we're not creating for him is. Johnson is a forward who is our top scorer, so who is creating all our chances for him? The same players who are expected to be creating for Solanke I'd imagine. Clearly for all Johnson's criticism his movement is a lot better, and is also a very good finisher.....
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not sure how much of an excuse we're not creating for him is. Johnson is a forward who is our top scorer, so who is creating all our chances for him? The same players who are expected to be creating for Solanke I'd imagine. Clearly for all Johnson's criticism his movement is a lot better, and is also a very good finisher.....
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Solanke does the donkey work so the wide forwards get the chances
Johnson’s movement is great though
Another thing that’s under rated and something the other players don’t have
He put in couple of great crosses yesterday and out left side players were just not gambling like he does
This why he gets goals. He takes the gamble
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not sure how much of an excuse we're not creating for him is. Johnson is a forward who is our top scorer, so who is creating all our chances for him? The same players who are expected to be creating for Solanke I'd imagine. Clearly for all Johnson's criticism his movement is a lot better, and is also a very good finisher.....
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If you look at the goals Johnson is scoring they are all pretty much the same goal. Usually Son gets a bit of space on the left hand side of the opposition box and plays a low cross along the box, Johnson run ing in front the side taps it in. Its quite a specific type of goal and one that's possible because Solanke will make the first post run that draws the defenders to him leaving space for Johnson to latch on to the pass. If Solanke attempted to wait for that pass it would instead get blocked by the defenders who are shadowing him.

Think of it another way, how often does Solanke receive a pass in the box? In space? Or to run on to? They happen so rarely you can problem remember the majority of them. I don't think he's great by any means and I do think he can be improved upon, I just don't think a better striker is the actual solution to the problem. Kane just scored at a ridiculous clip of you lok at his accuracy and xG figures, even if Solanke were taking as many shots as him he wouldn't score half as many because he's not as good a finisher as Kane, I mean pretty much no one is.

Look at the wings they create nothing other than that one transitional counter with the low cross from Son to Johnson. That's it, other that neither side presents anything to the striker.
 
Bishop said:
Part of the problem is like I said very early on this season, we don't create for him. As a fan base we've gotten used to the exploits of Kane, a striker who tbh for long periods of time we didn't really create for either but his own ability to shift the ball and shoot accurately from pretty anywhere in the final 3rd made him an absolute threat.

Now we have a more traditional lower class striker who requires service. Where is he going to get that from? Son? Who can't run anymore, can't beat his man any more and was never someone who excelled in terms of creating and execution other than being a singular force of nature that made brick just happen? Johnson? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So who is creating for him? Some might say Madison currently but that again puts all the onus on that singular creative player to be the creation hub but Madison isn't even good enough to be that player if we are honest.

So while I think Solanke can be improved upon I think unless you're getting a striker in the Kane mould whoever the new guy is he might get a few more goals but the same issue will persist. In this system with these wide players the striker will never get good service, they will never receive quality passes into their running step.
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We bang it to him about 3 feet off the ground every time and he then has to back into the centre back to take the ball
Our passing is so so bad it’s scary
 
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