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Franco Baldini

metalgear said:
http://www.spreaker.com/user/6608029/10-the-greg-stobart-interview

good negotiator, poor scout, spent last 18 months at roma twiddling his thumbs.
says greg stobbart!
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I'd disagree with the poor scout thing when you look his track record of discovering young players - Nakata, C. Zanetti, Walter Samuel, Cassano, De Rossi, Mexes, Gago, Higuain, Marquinho, Pjanic, Lamela etc.

With the negoatiating thing yes - he managed to bring in the likes of Batistuta, Guardiola, Cannavaro, and van Nistelrooy at their peaks and got all our deals (bar Willian) done cleanly and efficiently.

With the scouting though you need to preside over a wide scouting network (remember our first DoF Pleat got capable people like Graham Carr and Ian Broomfield working underneath him), and I'm not sure he's had the chance to put that in place yet. Since the sackings of Broomfield and Senior in early summer 2012, we've actually been without senior scouts in post. To some extent I think this is another Levyism - he got the man he really wanted in Baldini, but then doesn't back him with the tools he needs to do the job.
 
Baldini should be given till the end of the next season. If the signing we have made are still poor then he should be fired.

In England the top clubs dont have a director of football. What makes Spurs think this is the way forward?
 
Spursman said:
Baldini should be given till the end of the next season. If the signing we have made are still poor then he should be fired.

In England the top clubs dont have a director of football. What makes Spurs think this is the way forward?
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Are you sure about that? I suspect the clubs that will finish first and second this season would disagree.
 
Spursman said:
Baldini should be given till the end of the next season. If the signing we have made are still poor then he should be fired.

In England the top clubs dont have a director of football. What makes Spurs think this is the way forward?
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*Cough* Txiki Begiristain (City), *cough* Michael Emenalo (Chelsea)
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'd disagree with the poor scout thing when you look his track record of discovering young players - Nakata, C. Zanetti, Walter Samuel, Cassano, De Rossi, Mexes, Gago, Higuain, Marquinho, Pjanic, Lamela etc.

With the negoatiating thing yes - he managed to bring in the likes of Batistuta, Guardiola, Cannavaro, and van Nistelrooy at their peaks and got all our deals (bar Willian) done cleanly and efficiently.

With the scouting though you need to preside over a wide scouting network (remember our first DoF Pleat got capable people like Graham Carr and Ian Broomfield working underneath him), and I'm not sure he's had the chance to put that in place yet. Since the sackings of Broomfield and Senior in early summer 2012, we've actually been without senior scouts in post. To some extent I think this is another Levyism - he got the man he really wanted in Baldini, but then doesn't back him with the tools he needs to do the job.
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is there anything wrong in keeping Baldini as a top end negotiator to push deals through and hiring Broomfield to head the scouting network? seems like the ideal scenario
 
indianspur said:
is there anything wrong in keeping Baldini as a top end negotiator to push deals through and hiring Broomfield to head the scouting network? seems like the ideal scenario
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If Baldini is instrumental in the appointment, then that's great.

But if it's Levy setting up rival/competing fiefdoms again, like he sometimes does, then obviously not.

I guess the thing that really unites Baldini and Broomfield, but also concentrates rather than spreads our resources, is that they are both principally South American specialists. And would that be ideal for a more Europe-facing coach like LVG (cf AVB's/Portugal's orientation towards to Brazil)?
 
It's amazing isn't it that because our season has gone poorly the press all turn around and say it's all part of Daniel Levy and his DOF system. Yet they don't look at the clubs where it is working
 
Cochise said:
It's amazing isn't it that because our season has gone poorly the press all turn around and say it's all part of Daniel Levy and his DOF system. Yet they don't look at the clubs where it is working
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The only piece I put on Levy/Baldini is where was their backup plan for AVB? if rumors have anything to them, AVB was having issues even at start of season.

TS is not a sign that we were well prepared ...
 
Cochise said:
It's amazing isn't it that because our season has gone poorly the press all turn around and say it's all part of Daniel Levy and his DOF system. Yet they don't look at the clubs where it is working
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Tbh I'd say it's still the influence of Redknapp and his insular tabloid pals. You only have to look at the racist headlines on the front pages of their publications to see what sort of mindset the journalists come from (no insinuation whatsoever about Redknapp's political outlook there btw).
 
Ideally with a DoF you want a guy who's going to stick around for 10 years. Anusman's time at Ajax probably being the template for that ideal.

Problem is, in the real world DoFs are just as temporary/fallible/expendable as coaches. It's just the nature of the footballing beast that it's transitory like that. You might get lucky and find a guy who stays long-term, but that's no different to saying you might get lucky and find a coach who stays long-term. Yeah, you might, but it's not gonna happen very often.

I think this is probably the reason we have the transfer committee. At least 2/3 of that team at any one time will have been at the club a few years, giving you some hope of continuity. And really, most other aspects of the DoF job can be passed from one guy to the next relatively painlessly. If the club has a medium-long term strategic plan for youth setup, loan policy, commercial aspects, relationship-building with other clubs etc. none of that should be too upset by one guy leaving and another coming in. It's really just joined-up transfer policy as coaches come and go that's the problem.
 
Arnesen just quit his latest gig at Metalist Kharkiv after a family meeting due to current situation in Ukraine. Seems his family is still based in London and Eindhoven though.
 
Jordinho said:
No, but you need him to convince the agent and the player to go through with the move.
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I think the thing for me as someone who is critical of this approach is not the job. I mean it has been well reported that david dein was doing a sort of director football role at arsenal at the start of wengers time there.

The problem is how much influence the "director of football" has, I have the suspicion and it has been garnered through years of interviews and press reports about our club that the Director of football has to bigger a say on who we sign.

My preferred system would involve the owner/chairman setting out rules to do with finances saying for example we can not sign an over 30 year old for 10 million because it posed to much of a gamble.

Then they would keep out of the recruitment process, the director of football would ask the coach what players he wanted/needed for the future, after being told he would go to the scouts and set them a criteria of the player/s we needed.

Upon receiving the reports from the scouts he would pass this information to the coach who would then make his choices. The Director of football could then do the negotiating.

My impression at spurs is that the director of football and more importantly levy sign players they like and who ever is the coach/manager get stuck with players that do not fit in with their style.
 
Jordinho said:
No, but you need him to convince the agent and the player to go through with the move.
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i think that was part of the problem with this deal.....maybe the lad really didnt want to move to England, so in a sense a smart Baldini would have sensed the reluctance and switched to a target that really really wanted the challenge of coming over and playing for Spurs
 
don't we all moan when we try and drag a deal out to save some millions? now we're moaning that we concluded deals early? :lol:


he had a **** ton of work to do last summer - no way can we make a fair assessment of him going forward, i don't think anyway. he's been here a year now so this summers work and what type of squad we start the season with will give us a more accurate view IMO
 
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