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Injuries

Muttley said:
The hypothetical question is whether the injuries would calm down if Ange had 2 players for every position that he both trusted and rotated.

One clue against Ange is that we only played 41 games last season and he still ended up a massive injury list.
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He practically has 2 players per position

Vicario - Forster
Porro - Spence
Romero - Dragusin
Vdv - Davies
Udogie - Reggie

Bentancur - Grey
Bissouma - Sarr
Maddison - Kulu

Odobert - Johnson
Werner - Son
Solanke - Richie
 
Bedfordspurs said:
So why hasn’t that been the case for any game this season?
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I think we did see a Dragu/VDV or Romero/Davies partnership used in the first 2 EL games. Then we reverted back to Dragu / Davies. We certainly didn't see Romero given a PL rest and Dragusin playing with VDV, or the Davies/Romero partnership in the league. We've not seen barely any Porro - Spence rotation either. As for Reggie or Davies featuring at LB, not considered until Ange's hands were forced. Potentially, more rotation could have been used in defence.

I don't see it elsewhere in the team though. Perhaps with Sonny who has been on the pitch more than he's deserved.
 
Muttley said:
I think we did see a Dragu/VDV or Romero/Davies partnership used in the first 2 EL games. Then we reverted back to Dragu / Davies. We certainly didn't see Romero given a PL rest and Dragusin playing with VDV, or the Davies/Romero partnership in the league. We've not seen barely any Porro - Spence rotation either. As for Reggie or Davies featuring at LB, not considered until Ange's hands were forced. Potentially, more rotation could have been used in defence.

I don't see it elsewhere in the team though. Perhaps with Sonny who has been on the pitch more than he's deserved.
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We have seen Porro/ Spence rotation recently.

I don't think Romero or Van Der Ven have played enough minutes to be in the 'red zone' or whatever it is being called.
 
Muttley said:
I think we did see a Dragu/VDV or Romero/Davies partnership used in the first 2 EL games. Then we reverted back to Dragu / Davies. We certainly didn't see Romero given a PL rest and Dragusin playing with VDV, or the Davies/Romero partnership in the league. We've not seen barely any Porro - Spence rotation either. As for Reggie or Davies featuring at LB, not considered until Ange's hands were forced. Potentially, more rotation could have been used in defence.

I don't see it elsewhere in the team though. Perhaps with Sonny who has been on the pitch more than he's deserved.
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We did
But we still didn’t haven’t a full squad at that point
 
Finney Is Back said:
We have seen Porro/ Spence rotation recently.

I don't think Romero or Van Der Ven have played enough minutes to be in the 'red zone' or whatever it is being called.
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Perhaps I'm not articulating myself well. Let me have another go.

I believe Ange doesn't think like a manager that has 22 genuine options to be on the pitch yet. There's a couple of natural rotations e.g. with Bents/Biss/Sarr or Kulu/Madds. Certain positions will get to that red zone because of a lack of rotation and also factoring in his substitution options. Clearly the lack of Richi and Odobert is not in any way on our manager. However, even if Ange had a fully fit squad all season, I believe he would have run Romero, Porro, VDV, Udogie etc into the red zone a lot.

What Lange needs to make sure is that we eliminate these bottlenecks one by one through the next 2 transfer windows. I also think Ange needs to loosen up and start fully leveraging his squad. Reggie didn't stop becoming a decent PL player with international caps to his name. He could have easily been used in the league cup and been on our PL bench this season. Destiny has been overplayed.
 
Muttley said:
Perhaps I'm not articulating myself well. Let me have another go.

I believe Ange doesn't think like a manager that has 22 genuine options to be on the pitch yet. There's a couple of natural rotations e.g. with Bents/Biss/Sarr or Kulu/Madds. Certain positions will get to that red zone because of a lack of rotation and also factoring in his substitution options. Clearly the lack of Richi and Odobert is not in any way on our manager. However, even if Ange had a fully fit squad all season, I believe he would have run Romero, Porro, VDV, Udogie etc into the red zone a lot.

What Lange needs to make sure is that we eliminate these bottlenecks one by one through the next 2 transfer windows. I also think Ange needs to loosen up and start fully leveraging his squad. Reggie didn't stop becoming a decent PL player with international caps to his name. He could have easily been used in the league cup and been on our PL bench this season. Destiny has been overplayed.
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Why? Considering he hasn’t done that with the midfield?
 
Finney Is Back said:
Why? Considering he hasn’t done that with the midfield?
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I meant this season. Our defensive options look like this

Venom, Forster, Austin
Porro, Spence, Gray
Romero, Dragusin
VDV, Davies
Udogie, Reggie

There is no way Ange would have rotated those 5 first choice names as much as he did Biss, Sarr and Bents.

We never even saw him use Dragusin with either of Romero or VDV in the league format until injuries came along. I don't recall Porro being stood down either for one of Gray or Spence in the league. The plan was only to only start the backups in the cups and EL.
 
Muttley said:
I meant this season. Our defensive options look like this

Venom, Forster, Austin
Porro, Spence, Gray
Romero, Dragusin
VDV, Davies
Udogie, Reggie

There is no way Ange would have rotated those 5 first choice names as much as he did Biss, Sarr and Bents.

We never even saw him use Dragusin with either of Romero or VDV in the league format until injuries came along. I don't recall Porro being stood down either for one of Gray or Spence in the league. The plan was only to only start the backups in the cups and EL.
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Even kulusevski through the middle was only after maddison got injured. When ange says he plays his way and won't change it he means it.
 
Muttley said:
I meant this season. Our defensive options look like this

Venom, Forster, Austin
Porro, Spence, Gray
Romero, Dragusin
VDV, Davies
Udogie, Reggie

There is no way Ange would have rotated those 5 first choice names as much as he did Biss, Sarr and Bents.

We never even saw him use Dragusin with either of Romero or VDV in the league format until injuries came along. I don't recall Porro being stood down either for one of Gray or Spence in the league. The plan was only to only start the backups in the cups and EL.
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Because the drop offs between the first choice and reserve player are so much bigger in these positions I think.

I recall Gray playing instead of Porro in the Europa. I also recall Dragu and Davies playing in the Europa. The manager was rotating a reasonable amount until in some cases injuries and in others availability (Spence not being in the Europa squad) meant he struggled to do that. As I said before I think the only real mistake he made was not bringing Spence in to play a few PL games quickly enough.
 
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