Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[DubSpur]

Hmmm so they have performed better in the past. I presume this was in the past under Jose. The reason why they are not performing as well now could be a number of reasons; it could be Jose, could be the players themselves being inconsistent or could be other teams adapting tactics. It could be that we have been unlucky with our chances. Football isn't 2+2=4.

Ahh the famous Jose doesn't have a good game plan. Don't think that is the reason. Jose has game plans. Someone performing more than the sum of our parts? Wow. Sounds like the kind of words my managers say before I start ignoring them.

He doesn't have a game plan beyond get it to Harry. He also has the players afraid of being treated crap and dropped if they make a mistake, so they take safe options.
I'd think the main idea of a manager is to get the team performing better than the sum of it's parts by implementing a proper system, if not then why do we need a manager?

 

[Pirate55]

You can when he's not getting the best out of the tools he already has.

Remember we were 11th ( I think ) when he took over. We had been utter dross for a year prior to that. Poch couldn't get a tune out of those tools. I suspect Mourinho wouldn't have wanted NDombele or Sessegon and has been saddled with them ( and probably Bergwyn). The remnants of the Poch era are ( for various reasons) now substandard - Ali, Dier, Winks, Rose, Sanchez, Toby ( due to age) , Sissoko, Moura, Lamela , Aurier and even Lloris on occasion.

Difficult to get a tune out of that bunch of losers.

 

[Pirate55]

To be honest if we are playing a game of ifs, if we had just one very good CB we would easily have 10-12 more points and a lot of these conversations would never have taken place....

Which is the one player Mourinho asked for in January ( and probably last summer).

 

[billyiddo]

I'm not a fan of Mourinho but I cant remember a time when players have made so many mistakes, he's shuffled the pack given virtually all the players a chance and they are letting him and us down.

Happens every time a manager is floundering at a club as concentration is elsewhere

 

[harr1984]

Remember we were 11th ( I think ) when he took over. We had been utter dross for a year prior to that. Poch couldn't get a tune out of those tools. I suspect Mourinho wouldn't have wanted NDombele or Sessegon and has been saddled with them ( and probably Bergwyn). The remnants of the Poch era are ( for various reasons) now substandard - Ali, Dier, Winks, Rose, Sanchez, Toby ( due to age) , Sissoko, Moura, Lamela , Aurier and even Lloris on occasion.

Difficult to get a tune out of that bunch of losers.

We were 14th, and already 11 points off top 4 after 12 games....

 

[afsoc4life]

Let me understand this. If you look at the current Premier League squads, are you saying Spurs is in the top 4 squads? Spurs squad is better than one of United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea? And the reason we are not in the top 4 is that Jose is shiite? Aside from Kane, name a position where we have a player in the top 3 or 4 for that position!! The only other player may be Son and that is why Jose had to rely on those guys.

 

[Pirate55]

We were 14th, and already 11 points off top 4 after 12 games....

Thanks. And if Inrecall Mourinho got us up to a whisker of fourth. We bottled it ( again) at home to Chelsea when Son got sent off and we lost 2-0. A win would have taken is intontge top four. Where have I heard that before .........

 

[billyiddo]

Ahh the famous Jose doesn't have a good game plan. Don't think that is the reason. Jose has game plans. Someone performing more than the sum of our parts? Wow. Sounds like the kind of words my managers say before I start ignoring them.

I don't expect the manager to stand in the dressing room saying as much to the players but I expect him to produce those sorts of levels otherwise what exactly are they doing to earn their wage?

 

[parklane1]

If rumors are to be believed, Mourinho asked for a hunk of burning love of a centre forward last January and an experienced centre half this January. Instead, our brilliant acquisition team delivered a tiny winger in Bergwyn and a novice inexperienced centre half in Rondon.

You can't blame a man who hasn't been given the tools he requested.

It depends who that man is, if its Poch you can not ( according to the Poch lovers phalanx) but Jose you can, different strokes for different folks.

 

[billyiddo]

It depends who that man is, if its Poch you can not ( according to the Poch lovers phalanx) but Jose you can, different strokes for different folks.

Poch had to work with tools he was given just like Jose does and just like any manager will that comes after him

 

[Pirate55]

It depends who that man is, if its Poch you can not ( according to the Poch lovers phalanx) but Jose you can, different strokes for different folks.

Excellent point Sir.

 

[afsoc4life]

He doesn't have a game plan beyond get it to Harry. He also has the players afraid of being treated crap and dropped if they make a mistake, so they take safe options.
I'd think the main idea of a manager is to get the team performing better than the sum of it's parts by implementing a proper system, if not then why do we need a manager?

I would argue that Jose has done well to get these guys play as they have with so many variations to his tactics. The players are scared of being treated like crap and dropped if they make a mistake? Where do we start from with this. Firstly several of the players make mistakes and Jose has persisted with them as much as he can. Secondly says a lot about the mental strengths of the players. Was that the same reason they were stinking up the place under Pochettino? Mauricio also made them scared and wear diapers. Thirdly Jose has a system - intact he has several variations. However you are not happy with the results hence the statements. Every manager would like the ball to get to their most dangerous player. Do you think Barcelona try not to pass to Messi? At times I read the arguments and I feel it is emotionally regurgitated. Yes we have every right to be upset with performance but we must also be open to the truth. We don't have a top 4 squad.

 

[parklane1]

Poch had to work with tools he was given just like Jose does and just like any manager will that comes after him

I d o not disagree with that, not the point i was making though.

 

[Pirate55]

Poch had to work with tools he was given just like Jose does and just like any manager will that comes after him

Don't want to open up this debate again, but how many players did Poch buy and how much did he spend? Let's leave it there shall we.

 

[DubSpur]

It depends who that man is, if its Poch you can not ( according to the Poch lovers phalanx) but Jose you can, different strokes for different folks.

It doesn't. Poch wasn't getting the best out of the players over the last year he was there, just like Mourinho isn't now.

 

[afsoc4life]

I don't expect the manager to stand in the dressing room saying as much to the players but I expect him to produce those sorts of levels otherwise what exactly are they doing to earn their wage?

Produce the sort of level with reduced quality? As Jose said earlier, you need good eggs to make quality omelette. At times you may be blessed to have discovered players who are underrated (Gosh I miss Moussa Dembele). However the Spurs teams is improving and I will have the faith that we can do better.

 

[parklane1]

It doesn't. Poch wasn't getting the best out of the players over the last year he was there, just like Mourinho isn't now.

So you have not read any posts on here over the last couple of years that have defended Poch by saying he never got the players he wanted??????

 

[billyiddo]

Don't want to open up this debate again, but how many players did Poch buy and how much did he spend? Let's leave it there shall we.

"Don't want to open up this debate again"

*opens up debate*

"Let's leave it there shall we"

 

[billyiddo]

Produce the sort of level with reduced quality? As Jose said earlier, you need good eggs to make quality omelette. At times you may be blessed to have discovered players who are underrated (Gosh I miss Moussa Dembele). However the Spurs teams is improving and I will have the faith that we can do better.

What ever level your players are at it is the job of the manager to forge them in to a team - no one can tell me we look like a team, we look like 11 individuals each and every game and 18 months in to a managers reign that is a damning indictment

 

[DubSpur]

I would argue that Jose has done well to get these guys play as they have with so many variations to his tactics. The players are scared of being treated like crap and dropped if they make a mistake? Where do we start from with this. Firstly several of the players make mistakes and Jose has persisted with them as much as he can. Secondly says a lot about the mental strengths of the players. Was that the same reason they were stinking up the place under Pochettino? Mauricio also made them scared and wear diapers. Thirdly Jose has a system - intact he has several variations. However you are not happy with the results hence the statements. Every manager would like the ball to get to their most dangerous player. Do you think Barcelona try not to pass to Messi? At times I read the arguments and I feel it is emotionally regurgitated. Yes we have every right to be upset with performance but we must also be open to the truth. We don't have a top 4 squad.

I'd argue that he has done terrible with his tactics as there aren't any and no system. He has slated players in public for making mistakes. Dele is the obvious example. He makes a mistake and about 90 seconds after he lost the ball a goal is conceded. He's dropped and not seen again. Other players have been treated poorly too. If players know they are going to be dropped for making a risky pass then they are going to take the safe option, it's nothing to do with mentality.
There's a million threads and arguments on Poch, he's gone, not getting into that.

Mourinho doesn't have a system. I'm not happy with the results but when I was earlier in the season I still wasn't happy with the lack of a system beyond a low block and get it to Kane.
Yes, every manager wants to get the ball to their most dangerous player, but they do it with a proper plan and it is not their only plan.
Open to the truth? In your opinion, it's the truth, but it's only your opinion. We have a squad that is a top 4 squad. We've one weak area and that is CB.
We've a good midfield and arguably the best forward line in the league.