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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

If that is the case, and Im not convinced it is, but if that is the case - does it not suggest Poch needs to develop himself and his methods as well?

Otherwise we are in a cycle of needing a new team of young players every few years, in order to play the same football we have been....

I would have thought now would be the perfect time for him to learn how to balance and manager a team with established players and the hungry kids.
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...io-pochettino-daniel-levy-spurs-a9147096.html

The results have left Pochettino under pressure but he remains calm due to his good relationship with Levy, who he considers a “friend”.

“We maintain a very good relationship and it is extraordinary to have that support,” Pochettino said at a global football summit in Qatar.

“I have always told him that, in addition to my chairman, I consider him a friend.

“Football is not a drama, it is passion and we cannot separate it from emotions. But neither can we make a sport as fantastic as this one because of the latest result.

“We must learn from defeats to be able to exceed our limits and that begins by accepting that you don’t always win and that the opponent also works hard and makes merits.

“You must always react with dignity to the result, regardless of whether it is good or bad.”


http://sportwitness.co.uk/pochettino-cant-tell-tottenham-players-theyre-s/

Spanish newspaper AS have a big spread on the comments made.

They’ve split it into sections, one of which is on player confidence, with the Argentine quoted as saying: “The player isn’t helped by telling him he’s s***”

A section on passion has the Spurs boss saying: “Football is a context of emotion. It represents passions, emotions, but now it has also become a great love, a love for madness. Football is necessary to realise our goals. Without football, we cannot explain emotions. They are inseparable.”

On the responsibilities of a coach in modern football, he said: “The responsibility for coaches is very big. You have to convince players and people of what you do. Sometimes you have to react as brothers, even sometimes as psychologists. What they expected from me when I arrived is not only football knowledge or knowing how to use one system or another. It is more than that to be a coach.”

There’s been questions in the media recently about Pochettino’s relationship with Daniel Levy, and he tried his best to dismiss the idea of there being any issue: “People can say that the relationship with the president has worsened, but it is not so. The important thing is to maintain this relationship and keep our respect. We need to know how to manage our philosophy to be together.”


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/spurs-boss-mauricio-pochettino-plots-20533208

Pochettino is scheduled for talks with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy when he returns from giving a speech at the Aspire Academy in Qatar later this week

They will discuss plans for a squad shake-up in January, with Eric Dier, Serge Aurier and Victor Wanyama all at risk, and Spurs willing to listen to offers for Real Madrid target Christian Eriksen. Pochettino is pushing for the club to renew their interest in Juventus star Paulo Dybala, and also has his eyes on Nice right back Youcef Atal.

His job is not currently under threat despite the defeat at Brighton coming hot on the heels of a 7-2 humiliation by Bayern Munich that prompted clear-the-air talks with his players.

Pochettino gave a “Master Class” in “Football analysed from an emotional context” in Doha yesterday and discussed his relationship with Levy.
 
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Are the only succesful managers ones who have managed at a top team previous then?

Yes. He has no experience in the squad regeneration situation with elite players (and that's what they think they are) at a top European club.
Name one manager with Poch's experience in the last ten years who have done it, I couldn't think of one? Ranieri;)?
He has done well. He will be a better manager for what he's going through.
 
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There are couple of articles about our lack of press in the media this morning.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...tottenham-an-ageing-team-that-is-not-pressing

Not a Mauricio Pochettino team? On the face of it, it's an absurd observation. How could it not be? All but one of the Tottenham players who started the 3-0 defeat to Brighton have been at the club for more than three years. Half of those have been there for more than six years. That continuity has been integral to their success. Now it is a problem.

It was the fourth time since September that Pochettino has named a Tottenham team with an average age of over 28 years old. Having had the youngest starting line-up in the Premier League in each of his first three seasons, Spurs now possess the fourth oldest in the competition. It is more than a quirk. It's a fundamental issue facing this manager.

Pochettino loves working with young players. They are coachable. Willing to learn. Even when an older player is a model professional with good habits, he is instinctively sceptical. For example, some years ago he was left bemused by another Premier League club opting to bring in a highly respected ageing midfielder as he felt the player's legs had gone.


That move actually worked out but it's a revealing insight because, more than anything else, the reason why Pochettino loves working with young players is due to their superior energy levels. His idea of football requires his team to win the ball back quickly. A Pochettino team at its best is a nightmare to play against. Endless pressing. Perpetual motion.

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From his time at Southampton, where he soon won over the squad thanks to the clarity of his commitment to a high-pressing game, to the transformation he instituted in Tottenham's style of play, this intensity has been the hallmark of any Pochettino team. It is the starting point, the platform upon which everything else is based. His philosophy.


Nobody would have recognised the team that turned up at Brighton as a Pochettino team. But the real issue is that this was not a one-off. There has been a change. Tottenham no longer press from the front. They are not winning the ball so high up the field and as a result they are not only struggling to create as many chances but they are easier to play against.

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The number of pressed sequences - those where the opposition has three or fewer passes in a sequence, and the sequence ends within 40 metres of their own goal - has dropped alarmingly. The statistics show what even the naked eye can spot - Tottenham are winning possession of the ball in the final third far less than before and far less than their rivals.

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For Pochettino, perhaps more than any other coach at the top end of the game, this matters. Ask anyone what makes Jose Mourinho a great manager and his two Champions League successes will surely form part of the answer. The same is true of Pep Guardiola, while Jurgen Klopp has now won major trophies at both Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool.

Pochettino does not have those medals but he had something else. A style of play that was unmistakeably his and one that he had demonstrated was repeatable at different clubs. It had not bought silverware to Spurs but it had maximised the potential of the playing squad and there was reason to believe that, with more money and luck, success was inevitable.

What now? Up until recently, it could be argued that older players were too set in their ways to be moulded into his modern way of playing. In time, those who grew up schooled in his approach would be a different proposition altogether, perhaps even the perfect fusion of enthusiasm and experience. Physically able to do it. Mentally ready to do it.

Tottenham's decline raises questions about the legitimacy of that logic. Some of it can be explained away by the behind the scenes issues. By players in the final year of their contracts no longer committed enough to buy into these ideas as they once had. It would be a mistake to underestimate the impact that this is having on this Spurs squad.

But it doesn't quite excuse the manager's role in this entirely.

Pochettino had pushed for an overhaul. No doubt he had recognised the urgency of the need for change. But after a long period in which it was suggested that Tottenham were a young team on the up, one still learning how to get the small details right, it is problematic to now conclude that he cannot make it work because these players are too old.

Lol....’the players don’t understand why they have moved away from the pressing game’. BECAUSE YOURE ALL fudging OLDER!!

(Although it’s likely still agents briefing and not being helpful, it just shows how stupid the stories are. Not consistent)
 
What if the dead cat bounce is 10 games and then goes all OGS?

This really is the catch with these situations.

What are the scenarios?

- You stick with the manager, he pulls it back, live happily ever after
- You stick with the manager, he fails, you are forced to twist anyway later down the line (potentially with less chance of rescuing the season)
- You twist, get the right man in to take over, carry on the upward trajectory of the last decade, live happily ever after
- You twist, get the wrong man, end up in the situation you wanted to avoid in the first place (think Fulham last year)

Any way you cut it, its a gamble.

I think Poch is safe while the fans are onside, personally, and expect Levy to give him as much time as he can to turn things around.

IMO when (if) the crowd goes then so does Poch.
 
Same facts, slightly different conclusion.

- Eriksen has a career path, but lets for arguments sake say we got a manager that convinced him he would win something in next 12 months, he might stay?
- Toby, Sissoko, Lamela are all squad options for me, don't have to shift
- Wanyama is done, Rose has always (more than Eriksen) wanted out.

The point of getting to top 4 and finishing stadium was to get us in a position to pay top 4 wages (best earners now are supposedly at 200K mark, 2X what is was 18 months ago), the fact that we got to agreement bar marketing rights for Dybala would also say we are willing to lift not only wages but purchase prices as well.

Poch had us overachieving when we were 2nd/3rd and pushing the title winners, not in last 10 months where our form has been horrendous and we only got top 4 because our competition had a goal of who could fudge up more. Truth is he seemingly got more out of an inexperienced squad with less developed players than a squad with a prime Kane, Son, Lucas, Lamela, Dele, Eriksen (which may just be the problem). The decision not to bring in players and a RB was Poch, nobody else, so if it bit him in the ass, he needs to own that.

My feeling on this is even for people who want to back Poch, the opinion is we would have to write off this season, something I don't like and can't see the club buying into either.

Eriksen clearly isn’t staying regardless. Neither is Toby.

I’m more than happy to have a season of finishing 6th if we can get back on to a good plane the next season. Given Poch predicted these issues and has massively over achieved, I think he deserves the chance to put it right. For some reason, a number of our squad want to leave. I don’t think a new Manager helps them renew their love for the club.

I also think Poch if he’s being honest with Levy in private probably feels massively let down by the players. They could have stayed committed rather than angling for a move out the first chance they got, and probably would have got new contracts that may have reinvigorated them with new money if they trusted our plan once getting to the stadium. I also think Toby and Eriksen are probably slightly embarrassed that they didn’t get the moves they expected, and that might be effecting them.
 
If that is the case, and Im not convinced it is, but if that is the case - does it not suggest Poch needs to develop himself and his methods as well?

Otherwise we are in a cycle of needing a new team of young players every few years, in order to play the same football we have been....

Seems like he is developing...moved to a diamond, less pressing, less his voice on the training pitch, short of sacking himself I’m not sure what else he could do.
 
Eriksen clearly isn’t staying regardless. Neither is Toby.

I’m more than happy to have a season of finishing 6th if we can get back on to a good plane the next season. Given Poch predicted these issues and has massively over achieved, I think he deserves the chance to put it right. For some reason, a number of our squad want to leave. I don’t think a new Manager helps them renew their love for the club.

I also think Poch if he’s being honest with Levy in private probably feels massively let down by the players. They could have stayed committed rather than angling for a move out the first chance they got, and probably would have got new contracts that may have reinvigorated them with new money if they trusted our plan once getting to the stadium. I also think Toby and Eriksen are probably slightly embarrassed that they didn’t get the moves they expected, and that might be effecting them.

Tbf as others have pointed out, Poch would have a point re your second paragraoh if HE HIMSELF hadn't openly talked about leaving. Twice.

Some fair points re your first paragraph, but my point above might make even those a bit moot sadly...:(
 
Tbf as others have pointed out, Poch would have a point re your second paragraoh if HE HIMSELF hadn't openly talked about leaving. Twice.

Some fair points re your first paragraph, but my point above might make even those a bit moot sadly...:(

Yeah...it’s funny, Poch’s slides in Qatar about the mood of the club coming from the coach, personality; buying into ideas, etc, it doesn’t chime with what he says in press conferences when he talks about leaving.

So I can only conclude, big mistake from Poch, or what he says in private is nothing like what he says in public.
 
Yeah...it’s funny, Poch’s slides in Qatar about the mood of the club coming from the coach, personality; buying into ideas, etc, it doesn’t chime with what he says in press conferences when he talks about leaving.

So I can only conclude, big mistake from Poch, or what he says in private is nothing like what he says in public.

What do you mean "Poch's slides in Qatar"? What are you referring to here?
 
Mate, it is never worth writing off a season when you still are very capable of saving it.

- Your view is the squad is too old and needs a refresh.
- My view is regardless of if I agree, this squad is capable of making top 4 in a season where United is out of the running, and Chelsea/Arsenal will be inconsistent.
- The issue is right now, this manager is not getting par level performances out of the squad.

The sensible approach would be change him, get someone in that even with dead cat bounce will secure top 4 this season and "if" we really need that refresh do it at summer with no real consequences.

Your comparison to Chelsea, Pool, United and Scum are not relevant because their income (due to decades of CL) allows them to buy back in if they fail, we rely on consistency more than they do.
I appreciate your POV, but still think we could get top 4 this season anyway - With Poch....
 
Name a top team he has experience at?
He has moved himself onto the top level of management by progressing a team and club onto that top level......stupid him.

And we keep saying he has the same players, it's not like Pogba Neymar have turned up and we can see he can't deal with it.

Perhaps he should have not bothered with any of it...oh well he tried.
 
The team are at an age where they should be in the peak of their lives, never mind their career they are not old, not even in football terms, yet we are now supposed to believe they are too old, what I got from reading that article was simply is Poch capable of managing top players in their peak?

Plus if we rebuild then what, do it all over again when the new lot threaten to get anywhere near their peak in a two or three years.
Funny conclusion to draw when many of the others (probably a combination) would appear more logical.
 
Funny conclusion to draw when many of the others (probably a combination) would appear more logical.

If you mean he can’t manager players in their peak It’s not my definitive conclusion, but if you are to believe these articles that are becoming more and more consistent you have to ask that question, the squad are in the peak of their lives I can’t see how anyone can think they are “old”.

Whatever way you look at it and I’m not specifically talking about that article, it’s seems just about every important statistic has been on a downward trajectory for a couple of years.
 
The only doubt for me was did he still want it, those quotes would seem to me that he does and is willing to fight for it.
If that's the case I'm willing to stand by him and see what he can achieve.
 
He has moved himself onto the top level of management by progressing a team and club onto that top level......stupid him.

And we keep saying he has the same players, it's not like Pogba Neymar have turned up and we can see he can't deal with it.

Perhaps he should have not bothered with any of it...oh well he tried.

Answer my question.
What experience has he got at the level and situation we find ourselves at?
 
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