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[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

You are right - net spend is 71m, but its not including the fee for Lo Celso, which I was.

Ill leave the rest, we'll be here all week otherwise!

 

[Bishop]

I think our current position is pretty much where Porto and Inter were when Jose took them over.

Inter had won the league 3 years in a row doing the double on one of those years. So no we aren't quite what Inter were. Porto is a decent shout though, they were in and around the top like we are when Mourinho took over.

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[Finney Is Back]

I'm not too bothered about

You are right - net spend is 71m, but its not including the fee for Lo Celso, which I was.

Ill leave the rest, we'll be here all week otherwise!

Apparently....
Ins:
Clarke: £10M
N'Dombele: £55M
Sessegnon: £25M
Total: £90M

Outs:
Trippier: £20M
Janssen: £6.3M
N'Koudou: £4.6M

So actually only £59 million net (or £74 million if including the £15 million 'loan fee' for Lo Celso (which in reality is just the first instalment of the transfer fee).

And the above doesn't factor in the £11 million we pulled in for Dembele in January.

 

[Baleforce]

Inter had won the league 3 years in a row doing the double on one of those years. So no we aren't quite what Inter were. Porto is a decent shout though, they were in and around the top like we are when Mourinho took over.

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Only due to Calciopoli though right?

 

[Bishop]

Only due to Calciopoli though right?

First year was due to Calciopoli, after which Inter took the best players from Juve and were the preeminent team in Serie A.

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[Finney Is Back]

To put the above into context. Here is the total spend of all PL clubs in the Summer:

1. Aston Villa: £146m
2. Man Utd: £146m
3. Emirates Marketing Project: £138.4m
4, Arsenal £118.5m
5. Everton: £110m
6. Leicester: £96m
7. West Ham: £72m
8. Wolves: £68m
9. THFC: £66m
10. Brighton: £62.5m
11. Saudi Sportswashing Machine: £56.5m
12. Southampton: £49m
13. Bournemouth £45.7m
14. Chelsea: £40.2m (transfer ban so this was just making previous season's loan deals permanent)
15. Sheff Utd: £40m
16. Watford: £30.5m
17. Burnley: £14m
18. Crystal Palace: £6m
19. Norwich: £3.65m
20. Liverpool: £1.3m

We were the 9th biggest spenders (this is gross spend not net and our number doesn't include the Lo Celso loan fee, but doesn't include loan fees paid by other clubs either).

Now if we were to take these figures over 3 years instead of just one we'd see ourselves slip FAR further down the table. Yet for some reason some think that Pochettino should be delivering improvements year on year?

 

[Bullet]

some think that Pochettino should be delivering improvements year on year?

Some.

Whereas sane people understand we bought nobody for ages. Ye shall reap what ye shall sow.




PS - On Mourinho - don't forget he always has a tantrum and starts losing matches and acting the fool in the press to ensure he gets a massive payout and is sacked.

 

[SteveAWOL]

FWIW, the Dippers plus Goons have splashed out over half a £billion more than us on player amortisation & wages over the past 5 years whilst ManU have lavished precisely £1billion extra in just half a decade Heck even Everton have pretty much caught up with us, for all the good that’s doing them currently!

ManU: £575m & £1.21bn = £1.785bn
Emirates Marketing Project: £496m & £1.101bn = £1.597bn
Chavs: £424m & £1.095bn = £1.519bn
Dippers: £302m & £990m = £1.292bn
Goons: £316m & £975m = £1.291bn
Spurs: £209m & £576m = £785m
Everton: £164m & £481m = £645m

 

[Bishop]

FWIW, the Dippers plus Goons have splashed out over half a £billion more than us on player amortisation & wages over the past 5 years whilst ManU have lavished precisely £1billion extra in just half a decade Heck even Everton have pretty much caught up with us, for all the good that’s doing them currently!

ManU: £575m & £1.21bn = £1.785bn
Emirates Marketing Project: £496m & £1.101bn = £1.597bn
Chavs: £424m & £1.095bn = £1.519bn
Dippers: £302m & £990m = £1.292bn
Goons: £316m & £975m = £1.291bn
Spurs: £209m & £576m = £785m
Everton: £164m & £481m = £645m

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Yup, for all the talk I had about transfer fees, wages are the real difference between ourselves and the other top 6. We just can't match what they offer.

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[SteveAWOL]

Yup, for all the talk I had about transfer fees, wages are the real difference between ourselves and the other top 6. We just can't match what they offer.

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Indeed, whilst tabloids love to focus on headline grabbing transfer fees the reality is clubs amortise that over the length of players’ contracts to help meet FFP and everyone in EPL spends at least twice as much a year on wages (hence why Sadio Mane chose to sign for Dippers even after Pochettino gave him guided tour of our new training ground).

Either way you look at it we’re still far closer spending wise to the bottom of the table than the top.

 

[Bullet]

Brilliant as usual @SteveAWOL

To put it into stark round figures that we can remember

Player amortisation & wages over the past 5 years

MNU: £1.8b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MNC: £1.6b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CHE: £1.5b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
LIV: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ARS: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
TOT: £0.8b xxxxxxxx
EVE: £0.6b xxxxxx

 

[Raziel]

Brilliant as usual @SteveAWOL

To put it into stark round figures that we can remember

Player amortisation & wages over the past 5 years

MNU: £1.8b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MNC: £1.6b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CHE: £1.5b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
LIV: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ARS: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
TOT: £0.8b xxxxxxxx
EVE: £0.6b xxxxxx

Yep, the difference Is Levy saw that 14 years ago, hence the facilities/stadium/profile work.

The real conversation is what could our spend be in the next 5 years?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Brilliant as usual @SteveAWOL

To put it into stark round figures that we can remember

Player amortisation & wages over the past 5 years

MNU: £1.8b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MNC: £1.6b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CHE: £1.5b xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
LIV: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ARS: £1.3b xxxxxxxxxxxxx
TOT: £0.8b xxxxxxxx
EVE: £0.6b xxxxxx

And yet Pochettino is seriously underachieving apparently?!?!?

 

[Baleforce]

It’s a decent starting point for a stat, but it ignores the value of the players as they are rather than what we paid for them, alli and Eriksen were effectively free, Kane actually was.

We also got great deals on Toby,Verts, Lloris, Rose and Son.

The only players in the squad we paid fair market prices for were Sissoko, Ndombele and Sanchez.

 

[markysimmo]

The real conversation is what could our spend be in the next 5 years?

£5.62

 

[Finney Is Back]

It’s a decent starting point for a stat, but it ignores the value of the players as they are rather than what we paid for them, alli and Eriksen were effectively free, Kane actually was.

We also got great deals on Toby,Verts, Lloris, Rose and Son.

The only players in the squad we paid fair market prices for were Sissoko, Ndombele and Sanchez.

I think you'd need to add Lamela, Aurier and Lo Celso to those three names above. I would imagine though that all clubs can also talk about players that they brought in on good deals that is quite subjective really.
The facts are that Pochettino took over a club that finished 6th the previous season and then took them to 5th, before securing three top 4 finishes in a row. So he took over the 6th best club in the land and turned them into one of the best four clubs in the land, not as a one off event, but consistently. He did that with the 6th biggest wage bill and (guessing here) 8th to 10th biggest transfer budget.

I am still failing to see how this is considered to be underachieving.

I am still also waiting to be given the name of another manager in Europe who has managed to do what Pochettino has done in recent times. After all it can't be hard to do can it considering Poch has underachieved? Levy lucked out massively when he got Poch. I doubt he'll be as lucky with his next appointment.

 

[Finney Is Back]

£5.62

Well at least that's more than season 18/19!

 

[Baleforce]

I think you'd need to add Lamela, Aurier and Lo Celso to those three names above. I would imagine though that all clubs can also talk about players that they bought in on good deals that is quite subjective really.
The facts are that Pochettino took over a club that finished 6th the previous season and then took them to 5th, before securing three top 4 finishes in a row. So he took over the 6th best club in the land and turned them into one of the best four clubs in the land, not as a one off event, but consistently. He did that with the 6th biggest wage bill and (guessing here) 8th to 10th biggest transfer budget.

I am still failing to see how this is considered to be underachieving.

I am still also waiting to be given the name of another manager in Europe who has managed to do what Pochettino has done in recent times. After all it can't be hard to do can it considering Poch has underachieved? Levy lucked out massively when he got Poch. I doubt he'll be as lucky with his next appointment.

Jury still out on Lo Celso imo, also, whilst not a "bargain" Lamela was cheaper than his worth.

Poch took over a squad that finished 6th with Sherwood...

 

[Finney Is Back]

Jury still out on Lo Celso imo, also, whilst not a "bargain" Lamela was cheaper than his worth.

Poch took over a squad that finished 6th with Sherwood...

I thought Lamela was our transfer record when we signed him? £30 million was a lot of money back then. It just didn't seem it because of the astronomical amount we got for Bale (who lets face it is worth more than 3 times of Lamela in anyone's money).

Indeed it was under Sherwood, with Sherwood taking over a team who had finished 5th under AVB the season before (with Superman Bale) but having slipped to 7th the season after at the point that Sherwood took over in December.

We were not a top 4 team when Pochettino took us over.

The squad he inherited from AVB/Sherwood was:
Gomes, Friedel, Lloris
Walker, Rose, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Dawson, Chiriches, Naughton, Fryers
Lennon, Paulinho, Lamela, Capoue, Townsend, Dembele, Chadli, Sigurdsson, Eriksen, Sandro, Bentaleb
Soldado, Adebayor, Kane

Us establishing ourselves as a top 4 team was a result of some good transfers (Alderweireld, Dier, Wanyama, Son, Ali) establishing an excellent team spirit and some very good coaching (Walker, Rose, Kane, Dembele, Eriksen)

Poch took a 5th/6th best team in the PL, spent less than all of those who had finished above him and still turned it into a top four team.

 

[Baleforce]

I thought Lamela was our transfer record when we signed him? £30 million was a lot of money back then. It just didn't seem it because of the astronomical amount we got for Bale (who lets face it is worth more than 3 times of Lamela in anyone's money).

Indeed it was under Sherwood, with Sherwood taking over a team who had finished 5th under AVB the season before (with Superman Bale) but having slipped to 7th the season after at the point that Sherwood took over in December.

We were not a top 4 team when Pochettino took us over.

The squad he inherited from AVB/Sherwood was:
Gomes, Friedel, Lloris
Walker, Rose, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Dawson, Chiriches, Naughton, Fryers
Lennon, Paulinho, Lamela, Capoue, Townsend, Dembele, Chadli, Sigurdsson, Eriksen, Sandro, Bentaleb
Soldado, Adebayor, Kane

Us establishing ourselves as a top 4 team was a result of some good transfers (Alderweireld, Dier, Wanyama, Son, Ali) establishing an excellent team spirit and some very good coaching (Walker, Rose, Kane, Dembele, Eriksen)

Poch took a 5th/6th best team in the PL, spent less than all of those who had finished above him and still turned it into a top four team.

Lamela was, but could easily have gone for more, lesser players did that summer

poch definitely improved things, my issue is that he’s stopped

our business plan is built on finding value in the market and developing it, your last paragraph is pretty much his job description