If I remember well that season Chelsea was playing quite open until we tore them apart and then he reverted to norm and they were successful from then on (didn't they turn us over later in season?)
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If I remember well that season Chelsea was playing quite open until we tore them apart and then he reverted to norm and they were successful from then on (didn't they turn us over later in season?)
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
You're probably right, I don't have a great memory.
I've also realised though was Jose not in charge at utd when we spanked them 3 zip?
Begining to show the narrative of Jose and his teams don't do big defeats to a little misguided.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Mourinho teams sit back and cynically foul and waste time and cheat, relying on DeGea to save 99% of shots, then pounce to win 1-0 from a set piece or a breakaway.
He regularly throws players (or Eva Caneiro) under the bus, publically ruining them.
He is an odious liar and a cheat.
He gouged an opposition coach in the eye.
He is a horrible humanoid.
He regularly throws players (or Eva Caneiro) under the bus, publically ruining them.
He is an odious liar and a cheat.
He gouged an opposition coach in the eye.
He is a horrible humanoid.
So you're on the fence about him joining us then?
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StephenH
David Ginola
Spot on!
But we’re not looking for a person to head up our moralities department!
We need a winner, Mourinho or whoever!
I think he did want to get Caneiro on her back but maybe the bus came in after he was rejected!
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nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Ill respectfully disagree.
I completely accept he isnt a cutting edge manager, but the idea his method is so out of date you need to question if it even works now is silly, IMHO.
That 3-0 was, I believe, the biggest home loss of his career. Imagine that, 3-0, after 13 years, being the worst result.
His record, according to wiki, is P909, W589, D186, L134. W65%, D20%, L15%.
I think its fair to say his teams do not lose many games.
If you saw my post on the last page you would see his team are always top 3 for least goals conceded in any given season. Usually 1st.
So yes, maybe on occasion his team gets a big defeat. But I would also suggest to think his teams defensive record is anything less than excellent is also misguided, and a handful of loses out of 134 (out of 909 games) wont prove otherwise.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
All true, and a big part of the side of me that wouldnt want him at Spurs.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Would agree that those win stats are inflated by managing the two biggest clubs in the world and the original PL lottery winners?
He has almost always managed teams expected to win games and had the resources to do it.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Maybe so, but plenty have been in these clubs before and after him and failed to match his record.
fernadez
Mauricio Taricco
You haven't been on Redcafe recently then. Most never wanted him sacked.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
At that level with individual clubs, yes, as a career, I can only think of a couple managers to have only managed at that level of club for virtually their whole career.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Its worth noting as well, with Porto in europe they were not expecting to win games, with Inter in Italy - they were not the top dog, equally when he went to Utd they were in a long decline. Even Chelsea second time, they were dropping back (and only managed 3rd his first season).
He hasnt exclusively at the biggest/richest/best clubs.
fernadez
Mauricio Taricco
What lower level teams are Klopp and Guardiola playing this attacking football with?
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Inter and Porto are two of the biggest clubs in their country, man utd and Rm the two biggest clubs in the world and Chelsea must be in the top 5 highest spending clubs in the last 10 years.
I think its safe to say that's the upper echelons of club football.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
It is.
But is it safe to say "teams expected to win games and had the resources to do it", presumably as a means to talk down his achievement?
I think in context its a bit less of an absolute than one might think.
And as I said, many a manager preceded and succeeded him and didnt do as well with the same clubs/resources/expectation.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Former Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri would want ex-Manchester United defender Patrice Evra - who he coached in Turin - to join his backroom staff at Old Trafford if he is appointed manager. (Daily Mail)
Paper BS or something building behind Allegri to Utd?
Paper BS or something building behind Allegri to Utd?
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Nothing is an absolute, but the fact that his whole career has been spent at clubs at that level skews his stats, he has never managed a mid level or worse club where it could level out.
Even when they are playing badly these clubs will still win more than they lose.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
And are we any different?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Immediately prior to Jose joining Man Utd they finished 4th, 5th and won the FA Cup under Van Gaal. In Jose's first season he managed to do worse than Val Gaal and take them to a 6th place finish. The Europa League win (achieved without having to beat a top team) massively glossed over a period at the club equally as poor as the one that proceeded Jose's arrival.
Mourinho's 6th, 2nd, 6th (and sacked after 17 games) league positions were achieved while spending a total of £310 million on transfer fees (£260 million net) as well as bringing in both Alexis Sanchez and Ibrahimovic on free transfers on the sort of eye watering wages that we couldn't get near.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Tottenham ‘prospecting’ for potential Pochettino successor – Have already ‘contacted’ big name
By Tom Coast -
15th October 2019
Normally, the international break is the prime time to sack a manager.
Many clubs have done that in the past, and with both Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Mauricio Pochettino struggling at Manchester United and Tottenham respectively, odds were slashed on at least one of them losing their job.
So far, no trigger has been pulled, but the rumours surrounding their futures continue to do the rounds, and it’s Spurs’ turn to be at the centre of things on Tuesday.
While making it clear that ‘for now, he isn’t threatened, Soccer Link in France report the Tottenham board are ‘prospecting’ in case they have to find an eventual ‘successor’ to the Argentine.
With that in mind, the French website go on to claim that according to their information, José Mourinho, whose last job was at Manchester United, ‘has been contacted’ by the London club, who hold him in ‘high esteem’.
Whether or not that would be a good move for Spurs should it happen remains to be seen, but with the Premier League side struggling for trophies, hiring a man who has a solid track record of winning them would make some sense.
Then again, we all know what else Mourinho brings with him, and it might end up being something Daniel Levy will be sceptical about.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/tottenham...hettino-successor-already-contacted-big-name/
By Tom Coast -
15th October 2019
Normally, the international break is the prime time to sack a manager.
Many clubs have done that in the past, and with both Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Mauricio Pochettino struggling at Manchester United and Tottenham respectively, odds were slashed on at least one of them losing their job.
So far, no trigger has been pulled, but the rumours surrounding their futures continue to do the rounds, and it’s Spurs’ turn to be at the centre of things on Tuesday.
While making it clear that ‘for now, he isn’t threatened, Soccer Link in France report the Tottenham board are ‘prospecting’ in case they have to find an eventual ‘successor’ to the Argentine.
With that in mind, the French website go on to claim that according to their information, José Mourinho, whose last job was at Manchester United, ‘has been contacted’ by the London club, who hold him in ‘high esteem’.
Whether or not that would be a good move for Spurs should it happen remains to be seen, but with the Premier League side struggling for trophies, hiring a man who has a solid track record of winning them would make some sense.
Then again, we all know what else Mourinho brings with him, and it might end up being something Daniel Levy will be sceptical about.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/tottenham...hettino-successor-already-contacted-big-name/