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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

thfcsteff said:
I wasn't looking to call anyone out. It was just a question. My perception of some of your responses leaves me feeling you're angry. It looks like it was a misperception based on your writing style ( if I take your answer at face value - which I have no reason not to).
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Its fine, we have been having good debates and we seem to agree on most things.

And your microsoft and Google comments, I completely agree and have no idea what the solution is.
 
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SkipRat said:
So the Southport killer haa been charged with terror offencies.

Ricin and Al Queda manual found.

news.sky.com

Southport attack: Murder suspect Axel Rudakubana charged after ricin and al Qaeda manual found

Axel Rudakubana has already been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder following the mass stabbing at a Taylor Swift-themed dance workshop in July.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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The manual suggests he was radicalized which is both sad and awful. The ricin thing seems odd when you read into it...possible castor oil cross-contamination? There again, announcing the finding suggests something. Awful story all round.
 
thfcsteff said:
The manual suggests he was radicalized which is both sad and awful. The ricin thing seems odd when you read into it...possible castor oil cross-contamination? There again, announcing the finding suggests something. Awful story all round.
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Yup, it's sad and tragic.

Edit: Radicalised by religion though?
 
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Gutter Boy said:
I must have missed that. I only saw a militaristic, religious zealot, federalist, spendthrift. I think the country declined significantly socially and economically, particularly from about 2000/2001
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How many council homes did labour build?

None.

I think you are perfectly correct in your statement.
 
SkipRat said:
Yup, it's sad and tragic.

Edit: Radicalised by religion though?
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I think it's an important question. Often, that radicalization of young British men can come as a result of nefarious outside agents preying on the vulnerabilities and hardships of a hard life being lived by inexperienced and ill-equipped men.
 
thfcsteff said:
In Britain he was certainly 'designed' along Clintonesque models, but I personally believe Thatcher in her own way elevated personality-culting to a new level (albeit in a different way).
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I was having a beer with my old sociology lecturer the other week as he is a good mate of mine now and he is Spurs, we had abit of an extended chat about this (so bear with me hahaha), started off about kids and young adults consuming their life choices through social media more and more, one major reason there is a decline in having kids is because kids are seeing experiences promoted by influencers like travel and food and they are actively choosing experiences in life over families.

Anyway to fastforward the point was people are clearly consuming their data and heroes through the net now. People are making their moves through the internet with great influence, Tate, Rogan, Robinson (in Robinson case to crown men) so we are at a peak of "Personality Culting" (love that BTW) and its on steroids with social media. His point was that in 20 years time traditional politics and voting will change for good because people won't be listening to politicians in the traditional sense and social media influence will have created to much discourse for it not too, how that looks who knows but Its def a theory I agree with.

So Personality Culting is going to be the key IMO moving forward, its here now to stay, how thats tapped into is going to be a problem for politicians to solve
 
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thfcsteff said:
I think it's an important question. Often, that radicalization of young British men can come as a result of nefarious outside agents preying on the vulnerabilities and hardships of a hard life being lived by inexperienced and ill-equipped men.
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Absolutely this, its not just religion that pray on the vulnerable, I mentioned before a good friend of mine does alot of social work in South LOndon round the Thornton Heath/Croydon area and there the kids out there who are confused, lonely, lacking guidance, lacking parental structure, feeling disenfranchised are those that are being preyed upon by gangs, gang leaders and organised crime, they are the ones carry weapons and knives. I think the issues here is as much about social care and social mobility and for people as much as it is who they are being influenced by. These people are in many cases being driven into the arms of others by their social surroundings
 
thfcsteff said:
I think it's an important question. Often, that radicalization of young British men can come as a result of nefarious outside agents preying on the vulnerabilities and hardships of a hard life being lived by inexperienced and ill-equipped men.
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That maybe true.

But it the police covering up information again.

When did they know?

When did Starmer know?

"If" he had converted Islam, why didn't they tell us

How long did the government know.

Once again it seems the government and police have been hiding things from the general public again.

Creating further divisions in the country.

This is my concern.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Absolutely this, its not just religion that pray on the vulnerable, I mentioned before a good friend of mine does alot of social work in South LOndon round the Thornton Heath/Croydon area and there the kids out there who are confused, lonely, lacking guidance, lacking parental structure, feeling disenfranchised are those that are being preyed upon by gangs, gang leaders and organised crime, they are the ones carry weapons and knives. I think the issues here is as much about social care and social mobility and for people as much as it is who they are being influenced by. These people are in many cases being driven into the arms of others by their social surroundings
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Everyone is listening to kids, all trying to be grown up and giving them space.
Truth is though very few kids actually really know what they want.
They lack role models and guidance because parents and educators want to be their friend.
This is leaving room for the radical to move in and fill the gaps.
Whether that is religion, political, gang, or lifestyle they have answers, and although some are going to be genuine people who can steer kids through the minefield of growing up there are plenty of scum out there willing and able to screw these kids over.
 
glasgowspur said:
Everyone is listening to kids, all trying to be grown up and giving them space.
Truth is though very few kids actually really know what they want.
They lack role models and guidance because parents and educators want to be their friend.
This is leaving room for the radical to move in and fill the gaps.
Whether that is religion, political, gang, or lifestyle they have answers, and although some are going to be genuine people who can steer kids through the minefield of growing up there are plenty of scum out there willing and able to screw these kids over.
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I think also there is an issue in some places where parenting has become lazy, I am guilty at times of it, laptops and devices are a godsend when it comes to cooking or 5 mins peace but its not really the way forward and there is an over reliance on them IMO. The idea that taking phones of kids at schools being a scandal is indicative of where we are going wrong with it all IMO. I know its gone slightly off piste but its all linked IMO
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think also there is an issue in some places where parenting has become lazy, I am guilty at times of it, laptops and devices are a godsend when it comes to cooking or 5 mins peace but its not really the way forward and there is an over reliance on them IMO. The idea that taking phones of kids at schools being a scandal is indicative of where we are going wrong with it all IMO. I know its gone slightly off piste but its all linked IMO
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Was in Brighton at the weekend, they have posters on lampposts saying don't cross the road whilst using your phone!
Phones are a big problem Imv, not just for young, for most ages.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think also there is an issue in some places where parenting has become lazy, I am guilty at times of it, laptops and devices are a godsend when it comes to cooking or 5 mins peace but its not really the way forward and there is an over reliance on them IMO. The idea that taking phones of kids at schools being a scandal is indicative of where we are going wrong with it all IMO. I know its gone slightly off piste but its all linked IMO
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Both Jobs and Gates refused their children such technology. As they understood the dangers.

They were designed for an adult world.
 
glasgowspur said:
Was in Brighton at the weekend, they have posters on lampposts saying don't cross the road whilst using your phone!
Phones are a big problem Imv, not just for young, for most ages.
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Ohhh I agree mate, we host a number of events and dinners from my job and its clear its a problem (or the company haha)
 
glasgowspur said:
Controversial view alert, but think a good part of the rise in asn and adhd is down to the info overload from smart devices in young minds.
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Most certainly, the relationshio between mental health and modern tech, especially mobile is well known.

Modern computer games use all kinds of pyschological warfare to target players and force them to hand over cash... many games are designed that if you us money, your play time won't be such an awful experience. FOMO is one such tactic. Fear of Missing Out.

Apps using likes and dislikes as dopamine hit, that feel good factor, and people chance these hits to feel good and validated.

All of which hit the must vulnarable in society. Children and those with mentale health issues, inclyding those supceptable to gambling addiction.

Not to mention exposure to things they should never be exposed to.

Children should not have a smart phone at all, just dumb phone for calls, texts and a gps parents... although gps is pretty pointless.

They should be banned in place if education...

Then there is the question of the invasion of privacy and data collection, especial from children who don't understand the nuances of what they are signing upto.

A friend of mine works in tech and is currently working on a paper looking at how tech like mobile phones can use to pyshologically abuse someone, making subtle changes, delting stuff, adding stuff, manipulating things.

There is an arrogance with tech companies that it will only be used for good and they never think of the consequences.

First thing i would do in power is ban social media and smart tech for children.... Social mwdia for everyone, its just a cesspit.
 
Gutter Boy said:
And all the oil (not the olive type) in food
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Sugar is another problem.

Like i say, mass immigration for decades has consequences like food, not only as i explained before regarding growing etc.

But the quality of food. Chicken is rubbery and poor quality, everything is flavoured with runny plastic, full of sugar and flavourings... bread is full of cr*p to make it last.

Cheap shyte ready meals

Unless you are rich the food you eat is sh*t.

Long gone are the days of corn feed chicken for everyone.

Over population in the UK has put extreme pressures foosd producers and the quality of our food and how it is produced.

And the effect it is having on children's health and mental well being..

We can only grow enough food to feed about 50% of the population...

Food is awful today... not too mention the carbon foot print off it all.
 
Sugar is fine. Its just a drug. But its fairly natural and known.

The big baddies are the stabalisers and emolisifiers and all that oil and chemical crap that the sugar is being used to mask. Neo-liberalism was taken us pretty much to Soylent Green stage
 
Budget was set out very impressively by Reeves.

£40 billion to be raised

Big tax hike on employers NI.
Big change on pension funds falling into IHT - but didn’t mention anything in relation to the tax free cash.
A covid corruption commissioner to be appointed
Big Money set aside for both the haemophiliac blood scandal and the post office scandal.
 
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