parklane1
Tony Galvin
N ail on the head, there has always been bent, stupid politicions[ and always will be] but this lot of all partys are the worse i can remember [and i go back a long time].
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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It's abhorrent he has a position.
And I think his positioning comes directly from governments all ignoring the concerns of people, then the media and others labelling them all as racists.
Leaving people with no option but to go else where to be heard, which then exposes them to more extreme views.
One of the reasons I voted Reform, is because i want proportionate representation. Parliament is failing, as it doesn't accurately represent the multitude of voices in the UK.
But although the Greens wanted PR i am not going to vote for a party that labelled me as racist and I didnt kniw what I was voting for. In the same way will never vote Labour again for the way they behaved after the EU ref and labelled 17.2 million people as racist bigots and completely ignored them.
So who is going to vote for parties who want electoral reform, if said parties are going to cry like babies, everytme a vote doesn't go their way?
It's not a good look when trying to promote something. In fact, it's just pushed people further way, as reform got the third highest vote count.
The popularity of the likes of Robison and Farage, is all down to the inability of the left to acknowkwdge that there problems. Just brushing it under carpet.
Like immigration.
Robison should never have been allowed to rise in popularity in first and the best way to have addressed that was not dismiss the concerns of people, not lying, fudging statistics.
The general public are not that stupid, and it's about time the political elite recognised this.
And it's scary, it's happening across Europe for exactly the same thing.
If you want to defeat the likes of Forage and Robison, then deal with the issues that push people to join these two. Don't pretend there isn't one.
The world has enough vile people in it like Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, etc etc.
Don't add more to fire by being arrogant and this is exactly what the left are doing.
And no, I don't think Farage will save Britain, but i think PR will have a chance as parliament will reflect the people of Britain better.
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parklane1
Tony Galvin
We used to have a place in Brittany for several years and it was amazing, we lived in a small village and lived among the Bretons. Lovely people and were always willing to help out on the land if we needed it. The only problem was that it rained a lot.
Blair changed the style of politics in 1997 when it became a cult of personality and more about style over substance.
Politics by sound bites.
But the rot started just after the war, as politicians have never promoted a future, our policies are stuck in the darkages, there is no vision.
We have serious lack of investment in anything.
Why are we allowing the likes of goggle and microsoft to dominate everything? And is dressing us down as they fleece us dry. And giving us awful service in return. Massive invasions of privacy... the list goes on.
Parliament needs cleansing.
Mikey10
Frederic Kanoute
Is that honestly the best you can do as a line of argument? Dear oh dear.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I actually voted for Blair but what he did by lying and taking us into war on a lie was the end for me. I have no time for any of the partys anymore, in it for what the can get out of it and thats it and since the farce in the commons after the Brexit vote that finished me with ANY of them.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
The line 'what have the Catholics ever done for us' was a spin off Python's "What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us"...I think men need every bit as much education in these areas BTW. Women can't get pregnant without them...
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
What ever is said in this thread and in the media you totally ignore it and back up Kier 100%
It's like you've been brainwashed by Labour
Not placing the responsibilty on women, as the documentary with Sir David Attenborough said, so refering the experts that provided the information for the Horizon documentary.
Women who are educated and have access contraception/family planning generally choose to have smaller families.
And yes your right it does take two to tango and yes I do advocate good sex education for both sexes.
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Me too. First time voting, was so excited, the buzz in the country after the Tories were outed...
Then betrayal after betrayal, lie after lie.
And exactly how I feel.
Brexit exposed just how clueless and devoid of ideas they truely are.
Mikey10
Frederic Kanoute
If you want to check back through my posts you’ll see that I’ve said on more than one occasion that he’s had a mixed start.
If by ‘in the media’ you mean that I disregard the widely derided far-right nonsense that you appear to swallow wholesale and then re-post on here about him and the Labour Government (e.g. ‘Two Tier Kier’) then you are absolutely spot-on, my friend.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
as opposed to the left leaning gonads reporting that you eat up, ok then
mixed start, hahaha that's an understatement
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
True that
He 100% wouldn't be fudging over the old and the "non-working class" like Kier is wanting to
Mikey10
Frederic Kanoute
And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. Nothing more to be said.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Im not sure even the Fat Cats would want Farage doing their bidding for them
SpiderSpurs
Darren Caskey
Good idea?
news.sky.com
Minimum wage to go up by almost 7% - as chancellor puts final touches to tax-raising budget
The government says increasing the minimum wage for younger workers is part of a plan to align pay for all adults to a single baseline. Apprentices and under 18s are set to get an increase of 18%.
Nope, puts more pressure on business and cost to the consumer.Good idea?
Minimum wage to go up by almost 7% - as chancellor puts final touches to tax-raising budget
The government says increasing the minimum wage for younger workers is part of a plan to align pay for all adults to a single baseline. Apprentices and under 18s are set to get an increase of 18%.
Scrap VAT instead and a % onto income tax and earns.
The rich don't get to avoid tax on the billions they will never spend, the poorer and lower end earners. Maybe be middle earners...
More bang for their buck.
Simply raising wages isn't a solution to systemic problems.
It basically stinks off protecting the status quo.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Im not sure its a particularly effective measure. There's got to be something better for ensuring in-work benefits arent needed (until UBI anyway) - i.e. that no wages are so pathetic that they need topping upGood idea?
Minimum wage to go up by almost 7% - as chancellor puts final touches to tax-raising budget
The government says increasing the minimum wage for younger workers is part of a plan to align pay for all adults to a single baseline. Apprentices and under 18s are set to get an increase of 18%.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
I wasn't looking to call anyone out. It was just a question. My perception of some of your responses leaves me feeling you're angry. It looks like it was a misperception based on your writing style ( if I take your answer at face value - which I have no reason not to).
thfcsteff
George Hunt
In Britain he was certainly 'designed' along Clintonesque models, but I personally believe Thatcher in her own way elevated personality-culting to a new level (albeit in a different way). In wider terms, it is hard to look beyond the Kennedys as the start of perhaps what you're talking about in terms of projecting 'Hollywood-esque' personality in the world of politics. Looking further afield, you could certainly argue that the likes of Assad and Hussein were exponents of personality-driven careers, and sadly, cannot have this conversation without naming Hitler - who essentially duped and brainwashed a nation.
On the Google/Microsoft comment, I remember in the mid-'80s into early 90s feeling somewhat apprehensive that entire trading models were being discussed and grown as tangible production was increasingly decimated. The proliferation of the food service industry in terms of conveniences and coffee shops every half a mile was also gradually alarming. Speed. Convenience. No time for lunches or meals. Increasing concept that hours must be spent 'being productive' in the industries of service and intangible tech-based business. Silicon Valley is a wild story, and not a great one. I sadly feel it is what it is now, and all we can hope to do is stem the tide and re-appropriate some of this economy back into the hands and lives of billions who really, really need it. My head says this won't happen for some time, if, indeed, it ever does...