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Rorschach said:
You can have an ASHP without the big cylinder part but you would need another solution for heating your water.
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Which means you may as well just get a gas combi boiler which can do both jobs for a fraction of the price, whilst being small enough to fit entirely in a kitchen cupboard and doesn't require a tonne of building work or huge industrial units plonked in your garden.....
 
scaramanga said:
Gas boiler?
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Yep. It is common enough to have a hybrid system like that: a small combi for the water and a heat pump for space heating. It is a compromise solution but one that greatly reduces the dependency on oil or gas. You can buy off-the-shelf hybrid setups or reuse an existing boiler if suitable. Alternatively, you could heat your water with electricity or go very fancy with a cylinder with a built-in heat pump.
 
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Rorschach said:
Yep. It is common enough to have a hybrid system like that: a small combi for the water and a heat pump for space heating. It is a compromise solution but one that greatly reduces the dependency on oil or gas. You can buy off-the-shelf hybrid setups or reuse an existing boiler if suitable. Alternatively, you could heat your water with electricity or go very fancy with a cylinder with a built-in heat pump.
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How would a heat pump in the cylinder work? Sounds like a 1st law of thermodynamics issue.
 
Rorschach said:
Yep. It is common enough to have a hybrid system like that: a small combi for the water and a heat pump for space heating. It is a compromise solution but one that greatly reduces the dependency on oil or gas. You can buy off-the-shelf hybrid setups or reuse an existing boiler if suitable. Alternatively, you could heat your water with electricity or go very fancy with a cylinder with a built-in heat pump.
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You don't get the government grant for a hybrid set up though, so I'd be on for the full cost for the main heat pump then having to find another solution so it would probably be around the full £13K i was quoted with no government help. When a gas combi is £1.8K. And the government think the low take up is down to misinformation!
 
Kompakted said:
You don't get the government grant for a hybrid set up though, so I'd be on for the full cost for the main heat pump then having to find another solution so it would probably be around the full £13K i was quoted with no government help. When a gas combi is £1.8K. And the government think the low take up is down to misinformation!
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As with all these things it's a tipping point that's required. In the main around price point but also availability, supportive infrastructure etc...and don't rule out aesthetics.

And I'd also imagine a frictionless process helps.... something most government schemes suffer from.
 
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Kompakted said:
You don't get the government grant for a hybrid set up though, so I'd be on for the full cost for the main heat pump then having to find another solution so it would probably be around the full £13K i was quoted with no government help. When a gas combi is £1.8K. And the government think the low take up is down to misinformation!
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I have no clue of the grant set up in the UK but that would seem a strange and somewhat self-defeating omission.

2k for an installed gas combi would be quite a cheap price IMO. Some cost more than that to buy let alone fit. Running costs would be considerably higher too but I'm sure you done your sums. Anyway, sounds like you are not too keen on heat pumps in general so I'll stop decarbonising the politics thread. Burn baby burn.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
As with all these things it's a tipping point that's required. In the main around price point but also availability, supportive infrastructure etc...and don't rule out aesthetics.

And I'd also imagine a frictionless process helps.... something most government schemes suffer from.
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7k grant is pretty decent actually. The upfront cost is the main impediment. If aesthetics is the sole reason you don't get one you need to give your head a wobble. Right that's it. No more on heat pumps.

Politics. Em....Musk will give you Farage as the next PM unless you sort that brick out. I'm sure the sovereignty guys are going apeshlt over his interference in UK politics. Am I right?
 
Rorschach said:
7k grant is pretty decent actually. The upfront cost is the main impediment. If aesthetics is the sole reason you don't get one you need to give your head a wobble. Right that's it. No more on heat pumps.

Politics. Em....Musk will give you Farage as the next PM unless you sort that brick out. I'm sure the sovereignty guys are going apeshlt over his interference in UK politics. Am I right?
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If you're a 'sovereign individual' probably not.
 
Rorschach said:
I have no clue of the grant set up in the UK but that would seem a strange and somewhat self-defeating omission.

2k for an installed gas combi would be quite a cheap price IMO. Some cost more than that to buy let alone fit. Running costs would be considerably higher too but I'm sure you done your sums. Anyway, sounds like you are not too keen on heat pumps in general so I'll stop decarbonising the politics thread. Burn baby burn.
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I am very keen on heat pumps. Unfortunately I've found that they're not currently very viable either cost or size-wise as the technology currently stands.
 
Kompakted said:
I am very keen on heat pumps. Unfortunately I've found that they're not currently very viable either cost or size-wise as the technology currently stands.
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You could make it work if you went with a small inside unit (about gas boiler size) and used your existing cylinder. That is another option that would take up the same space as you are likely using now.
 
Rorschach said:
You could make it work if you went with a small inside unit (about gas boiler size) and used your existing cylinder. That is another option that would take up the same space as you are likely using now.
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I don't have an existing cylinder. I've been told i need a large unit and cylinder because of the number of radiators and hot water outputs.
 
Kompakted said:
I don't have an existing cylinder. I've been told i need a large unit and cylinder because of the number of radiators and hot water outputs.
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The radiators won't be fed from the cylinder directly, that is a different circuit and can be seperate, but I would guess the heat pump system you were shown probably has a combination inside unit/cylinder. Not all are like that (i.e. monoblocs have no inside unit bit). Anyway, I'm bugging out of this. Good luck with whatever system you choose.
 
The is eventually going to be an amazing harrowing Oscar winning movie in a few years time on the current state of Britain and the things that get covered up by the establishment and endorsed by liberal politically correct people(many of whom post on here)
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The is eventually going to be an amazing harrowing Oscar winning movie in a few years time on the current state of Britain and the things that get covered up by the establishment and endorsed by liberal politically correct people(many of whom post on here)
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Equally people largely seem absolutely fine that a rapist is now leader of the western world. I would think it's more about where people's compass sits all the time, not just when they are outraged by the actions of people they don't like the look of.
 
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