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Rodrigo Bentancur

braineclipse said:
Was hoping he'd grow into that 6 role more than he has this season, perhaps that can still happen, but not looking that likely perhaps.

Still very much a player worth keeping. Is doing a job as a 6, but imo a significantly better 8. But don't want him going into next season as our starting 6.
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Agree, but I'm not really sure where we find that elite number 6. We need a player who's natural thought process is to be a 6, even if he's got the attributes to be an 8. Bentancur is about 70% number 8 and 30% number 6. We need the other way round next time.

It's often the case that you see a player who should be a fantastic 6, but they want to be an 8. Not sure whether being a 6 is too boring for these young kids.
 
braineclipse said:
Was hoping he'd grow into that 6 role more than he has this season, perhaps that can still happen, but not looking that likely perhaps.

Still very much a player worth keeping. Is doing a job as a 6, but imo a significantly better 8. But don't want him going into next season as our starting 6.
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That'll hopefully be Gray.

And if the new manager reverts to a more traditional double pivot, any of Bentancur, Bergvall, Sarr or Bissouma could play the other role.
 
I'm expecting 3 phases with Archie.

Firstly, we get VDV and Romero back and sharing duties with Danso for the rest of the season. That gives Gray a chance to step away from centre half duties and get a much needed rest.

Secondly, we'll be in an end of season phase where we'll have something like 9 weeks of 2 games a week and the other 4 weeks with 1 game a week. That is if we can stay in the EL. In this phase, I can see Gray playing some RB and some cameos in centre mid in the congested weeks. This will be his chance to convince Ange he can be a first choice number 6 or 8 in the future.

Thirdly, next season is where it all happens for Archie. That is when he steps up into a really senior midfield role if that is where his destiny lies.

I think it is about finding that balance between managing the physical constraints on his young body whilst making him earn the right to be a first choice midfielder. Even then he'll be part of a rotation system.
 
braineclipse said:
Was hoping he'd grow into that 6 role more than he has this season, perhaps that can still happen, but not looking that likely perhaps.

Still very much a player worth keeping. Is doing a job as a 6, but imo a significantly better 8. But don't want him going into next season as our starting 6.
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He is the best we have for that 6 posistion but i do agree that his best posistion would be in the 8, as most on here know i have been going on about our lack of a proper DM and imo it should be the first posistion we try and get this summer. We would be far stronger if we manage to do that.
 
parklane1 said:
He is the best we have for that 6 posistion but i do agree that his best posistion would be in the 8, as most on here know i have been going on about our lack of a proper DM and imo it should be the first posistion we try and get this summer. We would be far stronger if we manage to do that.
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And loan Gray to a lower half team?
 
I presume Spurs are tracking all the top semi-defensive-midfielders around e.g. Joao Gomes, Ederson, the young Swede at Frankfurt called Hugo Larsson etc.
I say semi-defensive because I think Ange doesn't want a pure destroyer, he wants someone that can also play a bit.


PS - nobody will play all 60 games each year if we do really well, so we need to consider it an addition to the SQUAD, not just one first teamer that will always be there

PPS - When is the ACN, when Biss and Sarr disappear for a while together?
 
Not that you will agree but Gray is still a very young player, and i would rather we spent money on our weakest posistion in the team and get a solid mature player who has proved he can do a good job there.
 
parklane1 said:
Not that you will agree but Gray is still a very young player, and i would rather we spent money on our weakest posistion in the team and get a solid mature player who has proved he can do a good job there.
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Ideally yes, you and I have similar perspectives about the need for DM in team

I do think a lot of thought has to be put into future purchases and the impact they have on pathways. The club has invested a lot in Gray, Bergvall, Kinsky, Udogie, Wilson, Yang, Vuskovich, Tel, etc, we need the Solanke, Maddison, Danso types around them but it has to be done carefully.
 
Raziel said:
Ideally yes, you and I have similar perspectives about the need for DM in team

I do think a lot of thought has to be put into future purchases and the impact they have on pathways. The club has invested a lot in Gray, Bergvall, Kinsky, Udogie, Wilson, Yang, Vuskovich, Tel, etc, we need the Solanke, Maddison, Danso types around them but it has to be done carefully.
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I do agree, we are building a team which has a lot of promise and if/when it does we should be on the right road. My thoughts which seems to be alongside your thoughts is that our CM needs a player who can control our CM [which for most of the season has been wide open to opposing teams]. Gray has a great future but he imo has not enough experiance to have that pressure put on him.
 
parklane1 said:
I do agree, we are building a team which has a lot of promise and if/when it does we should be on the right road. My thoughts which seems to be alongside your thoughts is that our CM needs a player who can control our CM [which for most of the season has been wide open to opposing teams]. Gray has a great future but he imo has not enough experiance to have that pressure put on him.
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A good 29 year old DM to rotate around/mentor Gray would be brilliant .. not sure how big a pool that is ..
 
parklane1 said:
I do agree, we are building a team which has a lot of promise and if/when it does we should be on the right road. My thoughts which seems to be alongside your thoughts is that our CM needs a player who can control our CM [which for most of the season has been wide open to opposing teams]. Gray has a great future but he imo has not enough experiance to have that pressure put on him.
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Yeah. Would be asking an awful lot.

Brought it up before, but the only player I can really remember breaking through in that kind of role at that young an age at the highest level is Busquets. And that was in a team with excellent players around him and a very clear and functioning system. There probably are others, but it's incredibly rare.

Asking Gray to do that would be asking him to do what almost no one, even players who have gone on to be world class, have done.

Carrick who imo became excellent for us in a similarish role broke through for us at around 22. Many examples like that.

Raziel said:
Ideally yes, you and I have similar perspectives about the need for DM in team

I do think a lot of thought has to be put into future purchases and the impact they have on pathways. The club has invested a lot in Gray, Bergvall, Kinsky, Udogie, Wilson, Yang, Vuskovich, Tel, etc, we need the Solanke, Maddison, Danso types around them but it has to be done carefully.
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A Danso type signing at 6 would be very good. Obviously someone who's immediately excellent would be the best, but difficult to find.

Don't think we have to worry about blocking Gray, he can play other roles too, injuries, suspensions, rotations...

Could end up blocking others though.
 
parklane1 said:
I do agree, we are building a team which has a lot of promise and if/when it does we should be on the right road. My thoughts which seems to be alongside your thoughts is that our CM needs a player who can control our CM [which for most of the season has been wide open to opposing teams]. Gray has a great future but he imo has not enough experiance to have that pressure put on him.
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Raziel said:
A good 29 year old DM to rotate around/mentor Gray would be brilliant .. not sure how big a pool that is ..
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Adam Wharton could easily be that player...but he's another young one.
 
braineclipse said:
Yeah. Would be asking an awful lot.

Brought it up before, but the only player I can really remember breaking through in that kind of role at that young an age at the highest level is Busquets. And that was in a team with excellent players around him and a very clear and functioning system. There probably are others, but it's incredibly rare.

Asking Gray to do that would be asking him to do what almost no one, even players who have gone on to be world class, have done.

Carrick who imo became excellent for us in a similarish role broke through for us at around 22. Many examples like that.


A Danso type signing at 6 would be very good. Obviously someone who's immediately excellent would be the best, but difficult to find.

Don't think we have to worry about blocking Gray, he can play other roles too, injuries, suspensions, rotations...

Could end up blocking others though.
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Carrick made his england debut in 2001, we didn't buy him till 2004. He didn't break through with us.
 
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