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Grays_1890 said:
Maybe, maybe not
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It's probably somewhere in-between.

I'd guess we have about £30m without further sales. (Especially as there appears to be a big upfront payment from BM)

The problem is, even with no further incomings, we simply have to offload as a priority. The squad size we have is impossible to carry (even the number of games are limited this season). The one thing that would rile DL is carrying players we can't even use or are 100% disengaged.

So the focus is on that. Obviously it has the potential to add to the pot...so we hope to be able to use that pot in the last week of the window.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
It's probably somewhere in-between.

I'd guess we have about £30m without further sales. (Especially as there appears to be a big upfront payment from BM)

The problem is, even with no further incomings, we simply have to offload as a priority. The squad size we have is impossible to carry (even the number of games are limited this season). The one thing that would rile DL is carrying players we can't even use or are 100% disengaged.

So the focus is on that. Obviously it has the potential to add to the pot...so we hope to be able to use that pot in the last week of the window.
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Yeh I would think that we are now drastically over the normal squad size with some of them on astronomical wages, that probably plays as much if not more into the equation than actual transfer budget.

It's been said before that fees can be much easier put up but wages are generally what we are more cautious on.
 
SpurMeUp said:
This Levy narrative is just nonsense though. As though Levy is stupid and wishes to saddle the club with wages and stop us from moving on. The reality is, you need another club to a. want the player and b. be prepared to pay what they earn now, even before c. paying us something.

It helps being a more glamarous club too. Barca's brick smells better than ours. A Lenglet is more attractive than a Sanchez by association.
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They will not listen. ;)
 
SpurMeUp said:
Prob a bit more than 20, as we still must of had 50-70m of the normal budget (despite no europe). But as we've been saying for years now, chopping the dead wood is the key here. Free up Ndombele's 10m a year wages, Hugos similar and suddenly we haev 20m+ extra etc
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We spent £70m on Porro and Kulusevski.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
It's probably somewhere in-between.

I'd guess we have about £30m without further sales. (Especially as there appears to be a big upfront payment from BM)

The problem is, even with no further incomings, we simply have to offload as a priority. The squad size we have is impossible to carry (even the number of games are limited this season). The one thing that would rile DL is carrying players we can't even use or are 100% disengaged.

So the focus is on that. Obviously it has the potential to add to the pot...so we hope to be able to use that pot in the last week of the window.
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It’s only a problem if we make it a problem. Tell the players they’re not getting a squad number and don’t have them training with the first team and it’s not a problem. If we’re determined to sell before we buy, as seems to be the case, then many of the players may well stay knowing they’ll still get games this season.
 
Finney Is Back said:
It’s only a problem if we make it a problem. Tell the players they’re not getting a squad number and don’t have them training with the first team and it’s not a problem. If we’re determined to sell before we buy, as seems to be the case, then many of the players may well stay knowing they’ll still get games this season.
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The 'Don't assign a squad number' thing doesn't really sound that practical though to be honest. You tell Hojbjerg he's not getting a squad number and then A. Madrid or whoever will ignore your 30m valuation and keep offering low ball offers as they know they have you over a barrel. Fair enough, Tell the agent you'd be happy to sell and to look for a new club for him but otherwise, Keeping him in and around training, tell the world he's a top professional and you would be saddened to lose him etc. and you might be in a better negotiating position.

Obviously if we get to the last few days it might all go out the window and we could go from looking at permanent sales for many players, to loans with obligations, then on to the last resort of loan with options.

Something will have to happen soon enough though, There's only 2 weeks left (Unless we want to sell to Saudi after our window closes)
 
dingdongo said:
The 'Don't assign a squad number' thing doesn't really sound that practical though to be honest. You tell Hojbjerg he's not getting a squad number and then A. Madrid or whoever will ignore your 30m valuation and keep offering low ball offers as they know they have you over a barrel. Fair enough, Tell the agent you'd be happy to sell and to look for a new club for him but otherwise, Keeping him in and around training, tell the world he's a top professional and you would be saddened to lose him etc. and you might be in a better negotiating position.

Obviously if we get to the last few days it might all go out the window and we could go from looking at permanent sales for many players, to loans with obligations, then on to the last resort of loan with options.

Something will have to happen soon enough though, There's only 2 weeks left (Unless we want to sell to Saudi after our window closes)
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It's also modern football players won't be treated like that. In Covid despite not playing the players refused pay cuts, with help of their unions. You think a season without a squad number would hurt them? A fair few last year didn't get PL numbers and stayed on books. Unwanted players have spent so long on the fringes another year isn't going to dent their egos.

It goes back to us making ridiculously bad buys in the past, not us being skint
 
SpurMeUp said:
Which budget did the Porro singing come under? The enic cash injection or this summers spending? Similar for Kulu.
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Same question was asked about the money for Romero, the journos claimed it came out of last season's budget and was part of the £150m injection.

I imagine both Porro and Kulu came out of this summer's budget.
 
superspurs said:
Same question was asked about the money for Romero, the journos claimed it came out of last season's budget and was part of the £150m injection.

I imagine both Porro and Kulu came out of this summer's budget.
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Omega signings though are being paid over the course of contract. Didn't we renegotiate Deki for that reason? I'm sure that was the case for others too. So as a lump sum of 150m injection and 80m up front from Kane, it's not like we are literally outlaying that cash again. Yes it will sit on what's owed on transfers, but if you owe 300m in transfers over an average of 3/4 years that's not actually alot per annum.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Yeh I would think that we are now drastically over the normal squad size with some of them on astronomical wages, that probably plays as much if not more into the equation than actual transfer budget.

It's been said before that fees can be much easier put up but wages are generally what we are more cautious on.
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With Kane gone, a probably lloris, then get Ndombele out the door...that's probably 600k a week of the wage bill.

Plus many of these guys arriving from Europe don't demand much in wages compared to the PL.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Omega signings though are being paid over the course of contract. Didn't we renegotiate Deki for that reason? I'm sure that was the case for others too. So as a lump sum of 150m injection and 80m up front from Kane, it's not like we are literally outlaying that cash again. Yes it will sit on what's owed on transfers, but if you owe 300m in transfers over an average of 3/4 years that's not actually alot per annum.
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It would be interesting to see every teams transfer position. ie what's owed and what's owing overall plus the payment plan for each player.

I understand the method of total net spend for each season as a comparison but it doesn't reveal everything regarding strategy or hurdles facing a club.

Of course, stretching the payments out is somewhat playing a guessing game over your levels of income in the future. Hence relegation or performance clauses make sense. From our POV the stadium income is solid bread and butter not available to many clubs
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
With Kane gone, a probably lloris, then get Ndombele out the door...that's probably 600k a week of the wage bill.

Plus many of these guys arriving from Europe don't demand much in wages compared to the PL.
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Yeh, when you lay it out, shows how damaging the extra wages can be. Desperately need to get them out. The issue is you add more wages to already dead money and you just absolutely bleed out weekly. Levy won't do that, risk adverse
 
superspurs said:
Same question was asked about the money for Romero, the journos claimed it came out of last season's budget and was part of the £150m injection.

I imagine both Porro and Kulu came out of this summer's budget.
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The money for Porro was supposedly available in Jan had Sporting been willing to deal then, so if that was the case that amount would have rolled over in to the summer, it doesn't just vanish because you move from one window to the next
 
dingdongo said:
You'd think we could shift some of these right.. Can't all end up failing and ending up on deadline day loans...
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Want to bet? Other than Hojbjerg, I can't see us getting a fee for any of them.

We'll be here again in 12 months too when they all boomerang back again next close season.
 
dingdongo said:
I think N'Dombele would be a decent shout for a Saudi move. Burnt almost all his bridges in Europe but could still be quality over there, earning huge money.
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It's a fairly racist country. I'm not sure I would go there if I was a black player.
 
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