Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Raziel]

I don't see the club sacking him unless:

1) we get steered in to a relegation battle

Or

2) a manager that heads any potential succession planning list indicates he's willing to jump mid season.

I don't think either are too likely.


Sacking him without the new man lined up and with another Mason caretaker stint will create such a toxic environment that the club will avoid it at all costs. I think this means he gets the season, we limp to the end then we part ways. That or the club truly are behind him and are committed to the long haul (a 3rd season)

Wonder if waiting till the end of the season or giving him a 3rd would go some way to saying that Munn is the one calling the shots on day to day football operations?

Longer the team is left to drift, the harder it is for next manager

United got Amoral from a club at top of their league in middle of season, if we want, we can replace Ange. And we have paid for managers before

 

[DeanoAustin]

I don't see the club sacking him unless:

1) we get steered in to a relegation battle

Or

2) a manager that heads any potential succession planning list indicates he's willing to jump mid season.

I don't think either are too likely.


Sacking him without the new man lined up and with another Mason caretaker stint will create such a toxic environment that the club will avoid it at all costs. I think this means he gets the season, we limp to the end then we part ways. That or the club truly are behind him and are committed to the long haul (a 3rd season)

Wonder if waiting till the end of the season or giving him a 3rd would go some way to saying that Munn is the one calling the shots on day to day football operations?

Have to be honest, if we sacked Ange and put Mason in charge for the rest of the season, I’d struggle to motivate myself to go to many more games. Absolutely nothing against Mason but if the club was willing to write the season off like that, I’ll be fudged if I’m willing to spend my money to watch a zombie version of Tottenham for 4 or 5 months.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Longer the team is left to drift, the harder it is for next manager

United got Amoral from a club at top of their league in middle of season, if we want, we can replace Ange. And we have paid for managers before

we’re not Man Utd. We’ll have to go through a bunch of managers turning us down before we find a patsy to take the job and he’ll probably be a patsy with a completely different style and shape to Ange.

 

[Raziel]

we’re not Man Utd. We’ll have to go through a bunch of managers turning us down before we find a patsy to take the job and he’ll probably be a patsy with a completely different style and shape to Ange.

That's Munn and Lange's job and to be honest, they should have that "patsy" lined up already

Finding a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 manager who uses wingers isn't that fudging hard mate

 

[Kompakted]

Have to be honest, if we sacked Ange and put Mason in charge for the rest of the season, I’d struggle to motivate myself to go to many more games. Absolutely nothing against Mason but if the club was willing to write the season off like that, I’ll be fudged if I’m willing to spend my money to watch a zombie version of Tottenham for 4 or 5 months.

I don't know. I think actually that the sad thing about Postecoglu and how it's going. I actually think with some little tweaks, this tactic and style could be incredible. I think Mason could give us an injection of something just by doing stuff like playing to players strengths: stuff like putting Maddison in a 10, giving Son less pressing responsibilities and allowing him to sit inside closer to Solanke. Play Kulu on other flank and push full backs wider on the overlap rather than inverted. Drop the other 8 back to a double pivot to provide more protection.

Even with that and dialling the aggression and hung ho attacking just down a notch would probably make a world of difference and start picking up points on a far more consistent basis.

If they allow this to continue for the rest of the season it's more a write off than anything else they could do.

 

[glorygloryeze]

That's Munn and Lange's job and to be honest, they should have that "patsy" lined up already

Finding a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 manager who uses wingers isn't that fudging hard mate

It is if you've a reputation for paying a manager big wages, but not willing to also wage the big wages of said managers targets....as i say, the veneer has well and truly slipped in term,s of how we go about things, it's why we ended up with Postecoglou in the first place

 

[Gazza]

That's Munn and Lange's job and to be honest, they should have that "patsy" lined up already

Finding a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 manager who uses wingers isn't that fudging hard mate

Levy sees your bet and raises it

 

[Raziel]

It is if you've a reputation for paying a manager big wages, but not willing to also wage the big wages of said managers targets....as i say, the veneer has well and truly slipped in term,s of how we go about things, it's why we ended up with Postecoglou in the first place

Ange got 130M+ in summer, somewhere around 280M+ in 18 months

You think that is us being cheap?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Ange got 130M+ in summer, somewhere around 280M+ in 18 months

You think that is us being cheap?

We finished 5th last season. Look back at the summer transfer window and tell me how we spent and who we brought in to back him to push on from 5th?
Bear in mind our squad deficiencies that were highlighted last year and the fact we finished 5th last season having had no European football to contend with...

 

[Jurgen the German]

Ange got 130M+ in summer, somewhere around 280M+ in 18 months

You think that is us being cheap?

Think he means wages. We’re never going to pay the same wages as the big boys. Look at the wages to turnover ratio.

 

[Kompakted]

It is if you've a reputation for paying a manager big wages, but not willing to also wage the big wages of said managers targets....as i say, the veneer has well and truly slipped in term,s of how we go about things, it's why we ended up with Postecoglou in the first place

We pay big wages for managers targets. That ceiling has been well and truly smashed in recent years. In fact, one of the huge problems we've had in recent years in terms of trimming the squad is because nobody interested in taking the players can match the wages our players are on. That's why you've had players like N'Dombele, Lo Celso, Sanchez and Reguillon stick around like bad smells.

Timo Werner is someone Ange wanted and we are paying him over £120K a week. It was a significant outlay for the club in terms of wages and loan fee.

Richarlison will be another we would struggle to shift as he signed a big deal on a whopping wage.

 

[Raziel]

We finished 5th last season. Look back at the summer transfer window and tell me how we spent and who we brought in to back him to push on from 5th?
Bear in mind our squad deficiencies that were highlighted last year and the fact we finished 5th last season having had no European football to contend with...

Like I said mate, >130M spent on top of > 150M

63M striker while keeping previous 60M striker, meant team went from no backup CF, to upgrading existing and having backup
40M Championship young player of year that the manager has said in last week he was not willing to pass on, even for an established player
30M on tricky winger to add variety to wide attack

That's ignoring Vic, VDV, Udogie, Dragusin would all be playing their 2nd season in PL (so should improve)
Spence gets re-integrated
Bentancur come back expected

Injuries aside, that team should be better this year, even if you argued it was only enough to maintain status quo, that still isn't 11th with the same amount of losses only bettered by bottom 4 ..

 

[glorygloryeze]

We pay big wages for managers targets. That ceiling has been well and truly smashed in recent years. In fact, one of the huge problems we've had in recent years in terms of trimming the squad is because nobody interested in taking the players can match the wages our players are on. That's why you've had players like N'Dombele, Lo Celso, Sanchez and Reguillon stick around like bad smells.

Timo Werner is someone Ange wanted and we are paying him over £120K a week. It was a significant outlay for the club in terms of wages and loan fee.

Richarlison will be another we would struggle to shift as he signed a big deal on a whopping wage.

Yeah, but wouldn't pay the wages for the likes of Neto, Eze....but instead bought the likes of Odebert, Bergvall and Gray. I'm sure the wages of the ones we got were comparable to the wage demands of the likes of Eze, Neto...right?

Also, are you telling me if it was a case of you can have Werner or Neto, Ange would have chosen Werner?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Like I said mate, >130M spent on top of > 150M

63M striker while keeping previous 60M striker, meant team went from no backup CF, to upgrading existing and having backup

63M spent on a striker a year later than was needed and a year later than when 100M was recouped for our ageing record striker...

40M Championship young player of year that the manager has said in last week he was not willing to pass on, even for an established player

40M on someone who no doubt earns the same wages as other top-level midfielders who could been brought instead or even alongside, right? Was this signing stopping us from buying an Eze or a Neto?

30M on tricky winger to add variety to wide attack

But not able to buy Neto? Hmm, i wonder why?

That's ignoring Vic, VDV, Udogie, Dragusin would all be playing their 2nd season in PL (so should improve)
Spence gets re-integrated
Bentancur come back expected

Injuries aside, that team should be better this year, even if you argued it was only enough to maintain status quo, that still isn't 11th with the same amount of losses only bettered by bottom 4 ..

I agree that Ange should be doing better with what he/we have. But that doesn't hide the fact we as usual cheap out on things on the playing staff when it looks like we should push on. Ange has shown his limitations but the fact he is our coach and the fact we again cheap out on our transfers also shows the reasons we will be swerved by coaches with ambition

 

[Legohamster]

Ange got 130M+ in summer, somewhere around 280M+ in 18 months

You think that is us being cheap?

I am on the Fence when it comes to Levy, but I am so bored with the Ange wasn't backed line
We brought the most promising player in the Championship and haven't started him once in the PL at CM since he joined despite moaning about player fatigue, he is only getting minutes now due to an injury crisis at the back
He got his first choice striker, which we paid over the odds for
Werner back on loan on high wages.
His choice of CB last Jan

Plus we took hits on players he did not want here anymore

The squad is far from perfect, but you can not do it all in one window.

 

[Raziel]

Yeah, but wouldn't pay the wages for the likes of Neto, Eze....but instead bought the likes of Odebert, Bergvall and Gray. I'm sure the wages of the ones we got were comparable to the wage demands of the lieks of Eze, Neto...right?

Also, are you telling me if it was a case of you can have Werner or Neto, Ange would have chosen Werner?

Mate, pick a better example, Neto was a no go for us due to injuries, said it earlier, in an Ange system?

Chelsea is paying Neto same as we are paying Werner, the difference was (besides clubs), Chelsea gave an injury prone player a 7 year contract, the guy would have taken that over fudging City/Barca

Eze is still at Palace mate, nobody beat us to his signature, Palace sold the player they needed to sell and that door closed.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Mate, pick a better example, Neto was a no go for us due to injuries, said it earlier, in an Ange system?

Chelsea is paying Neto same as we are paying Werner, the difference was (besides clubs), Chelsea gave an injury prone player a 7 year contract, the guy would have taken that over fudging City/Barca

Eze is still at Palace mate, nobody beat us to his signature, Palace sold the player they needed to sell and that door closed.

How Neto would have worked out with us, who knows. Would have been nice to check, right?
Odebert was the player we bought instead. That;s quite a drop down in experience/ability from Neto would you not agree? I think it's quite likely the wages needed to get Odebert were quite a lot lower. I'm sure there were others between Neto's level and Odebert's, but again, it seems we like to go for the 'bargain' version of targets so we can more likely make a profit selling when they overperform and it looks like they'll outgrow us (and our ambition).

Eze is still at Palace because very few of our competitors need him/his profile. If we wanted him, we could have bid for him and paid the requisite wages/fees and he would have come.

 

[Legohamster]

63M spent on a striker a year later than was needed and a year later than when 100M was recouped for our ageing record striker...



40M on someone who no doubt earns the same wages as other top-level midfielders who could been brought instead or even alongside, right? Was this signing stopping us from buying an Eze or a Neto?




But not able to buy Neto? Hmm, i wonder why?



I agree that Ange should be doing better with what he/we have. But that doesn't hide the fact we as usual cheap out on things on the playing staff when it looks like we should push on. Ange has shown his limitations but the fact he is our coach and the fact we again cheap out on our transfers also shows the reasons we will be swerved by coaches with ambition

Palace wanted all the money up front for Eze, good luck finding a club that can do that, they did the same with Saudi Sportswashing Machine who couldnt do it for Guehi

 

[glorygloryeze]

Palace wanted all the money up front for Eze, good luck finding a club that can do that, they did the same with Saudi Sportswashing Machine

And fair play to them.

My general point is that we went into the summer with certain needs if we were to push on. Fact is that we bought ONE first-teamer, i.e. one player who when bought you immediately knew would go straight into the first team. One!

 

[Kandi1977]

I know he's not flavour of the month currently, but that's what I liked about Pep. When you think you understand his current tactical system he would then go and change it and undo you. Obviously, with a set of players that could do that.

Hahahaha! Almost every time Pep has changed things, and tried to be 'clever' by changing the way they play, they've fallen flat on their face! Almost every single time!