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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

DeanoAustin said:
This is a very good post. Rio Ferdinand was raging at us last night for not just getting the ball up the pitch. Playing out has a place in the game but not to the extent we were doing it last night especially with the pressure we were under. The ball from Kinsky to Spence was beyond brainless. The ball back to Kinsky that he dealt well with and flicked back out to left back was stupid. The first half when Son, Spence and Gray tinkled about in our corner was also lacking common sense. You can't make those sorts of decisions game after game and get away with them.
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We just 'got it up the pitch' on many occasions last night, pretty much every time it came straight back at us.
 
veryoldspur said:
So what do we do? We are losing game after game after game. We will be 14th in the league within a few hours, have picked up 5 points in the last 9 games, have managed to get 1 point from the bottom 3 sides, and have lost more games than Ipswich. I'm fed up with people blaming injuries, as we were just as bad before them, and even since our squad has often lost against weaker sides regardless. The fact is our tactics resemble school kids running mindlessly around a playground, with all of them thinking they are a striker. When the manager is questioned about this all he can say is "it's who we are mate". To anyone who knows anything about football it's blatantly obvious this man is a pretender and totally out of his depth. If your definition of entertaining football is to see us consistently lose, carry on giving this fool your support, I won't. Don't forget, a manager should be judged by his results!
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It comes down to this IMO.
Do you believe in the destination of this journey enough to bear the horrors of said-journey?
As @ricky2tricky4city said, I think many of us are feeling uneasy.
 
Robspur12 said:
Or more likely they have not identified a replacement and don't want another caretaker, not least while we still have a chance in the LC. The way things are looking now I don't think Ange survives the season though.
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Or they have identified a replacement but he's not available at the moment. Only levy really knows.
 
Robspur12 said:
I dunno mate, hard to know what they are thinking. But Football decision makers are usually ruthless which is why given how things are going, I find it hard to believe they are just hoping he will turn this around. Plus they will be taking note of all the teams around us making managerial changes. Flirting with the bottom of the table rather than fighting for Europe will be costing the club money.
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I think they are balancing the decisions (injuries, squad age, player buy in, cup progress), incompetence is a word thrown around loosely but lets be clear

- If the club hasn't already identified a replacement pool, that is fudging incompetence
 
Mikey10 said:
Ange is not the journey, though. It can continue without him, if the right follow-up appointment is made.
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This would be the critical ingredient. No lurching. With regards to the journey, I was referring to the stack of issues right now, from injuries and fatigue to Ange simply not getting what he needs at a critical moment. It's Jan 16th. We knew what we needed in late November/early December. Just to say, I don't think a soingle supporter feels good right now, let alone feels it is good enough regardless.
 
Finney Is Back said:
We just 'got it up the pitch' on many occasions last night, pretty much every time it came straight back at us.
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To that point, hopefully it is clear that if we mindfully played like that first-half more often (again, I was somewhat fooled because I thought we had but it appears fatigue was the dictate) then we'd be no better off at all and most likely not even have cup competitions to look foreward to.
 
The club can back him with £500m this window and we will still be brick. Just remember the the Ipswich and Brighton game we were pretty much full strength. Its the tactics that are the issue.
 
Finney Is Back said:
We just 'got it up the pitch' on many occasions last night, pretty much every time it came straight back at us.
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And there is an 80% to 90% chance that’ll happen especially if everything bounces off your centre forward like it did Solanke last night.

But by getting it up the pitch you get time to reset and get into shape and get a bit of a breather. dingdonging about with it in your own box or around it runs the risk of our lads being out of position (particularly the full backs) and losing the ball close to our goal.

And who knows, with a long ball, you might just turn them or get a set piece.

Neither approach is right every time. This is about making good decisions at the right time. We didn’t several times last night.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Which comments specifically are you referring to? Ange seems to be less willing to cop the blame himself by saying we weren't at the levels required and it was unacceptable. Everyone can see it, the 18 year olds are putting everything into it and our senior players are letting the side down. To a certain extent what he says is irrelevant, already reneging on criticism of the refs and growing weary of blaming himself - is it his fault that Bissouma is Bissouma?

As a certain follically challenged passionate manager said a while back, the players like to play under no pressure. We can put a controlled and measured performance in against Liverpool in a 1st leg semi that only means something if we can do the same in the 2nd. And we can scrape through against non league opponents but who really thinks we'd get through in a quarter final against top opposition? It was nice to get some positive feeling for a couple of games that will 95% end up as meaningless but last night was a back to reality moment.

Arsenal have almost got double the amount of points as us, despite them being "set piece FC" and having a non functioning front three etc etc The league table doesn't care about the tedious and desperately reaching opinions of bitter rival fans.

Now taking my turn to be tedious in my commentary, the next game is huge. Eventually we'll have to get some points and Everton aren't likely to roll over. Ange has been unfortunate in the timing of the game last night and in terms of injuries, but one would hope we have enough to beat Everton.

Edit - I'm not necessarily in the Ange out camp, I'm just not in the fawning over everything he says whilst we're actually slipping towards a relegation battle. There are signs of potential / promise, but you don't get extra points awarded for playing young players or not accessing the dark arts of football.
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Generally agree with your post, but interested as to what else he could've done in the last two months given what we don't have?
 
Raziel said:
Honestly, if at this stage they haven't identified a replacement and at least sounded the said manager(s) agent, Munn should be fired before Ange.

I think they are doing their best to give him a chance with some players back and the cup is his hail mary, get smashed by Pool in 2nd leg and I don't see survival on the cards
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No need to panic.
 
DeanoAustin said:
And there is an 80% to 90% chance that’ll happen especially if everything bounces off your centre forward like it did Solanke last night.

But by getting it up the pitch you get time to reset and get into shape and get a bit of a breather. dingdonging about with it in your own box or around it runs the risk of our lads being out of position (particularly the full backs) and losing the ball close to our goal.

And who knows, with a long ball, you might just turn them or get a set piece.

Neither approach is right every time. This is about making good decisions at the right time. We didn’t several times last night.
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It rarely went to Solanke
It mainly went to Kulu who lost it loads too
Well proportionately loads
Banging it long cab work if the Cf has some support too
Solanke is knackered though
 
Robspur12 said:
Im afraid I don't get this at all. Once you get into this spiral a manager rarely gets out of it. I have not seen anything from Ange to suggest he is very likely to succeed other than a very small purple patch right at the start of his time here. In fact I am getting more and more of a feeling of Emperor's new clothes about the guy. Which is a shame because I so wanted this philosophy to succeed.
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Data. Can't be ignored. It's part of the mix.
Apart from points total...much if it is positive.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
It rarely went to Solanke
It mainly went to Kulu who lost it loads too
Well proportionately loads
Banging it long cab work if the Cf has some support too
Solanke is knackered though
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Fair point on Deki. And you could throw Sonny in too a couple of times.

I'm not advocating that we become Wimbledon or anything. I'm from Ireland and while I love Jack Charlton and what he did for us, his brand of football was an eyesore (and of its time in fairness). But there are situations where getting it out of the danger area is the right thing to do even if you are very likely to lose possession. I can think of several times last night where we dingdonged about with it and it was the wrong thing to do.
 
Pandy said:
We were winning consistently at the start of this season, before everyone got injured.
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I'm not trying to be a contrarian here but I genuinely don't think we were. We definitely had some good wins eg villa, Everton, Utd and City but these were interspersed with losses to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Brighton Ipswich and Palace and an anaemic performance against Coventry in the cup. All before the injuries started. And Villa aside, 3 wins were against teams who have changed their managers already this season. And in fairness, anyone other than Pep wouldn't survive at City with their recent results.
 
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