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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 77 45.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 93 54.7%
  • Total voters
    170
Baleforce said:
Dele got more goals and assists in the league in Jose's season than he had in the season before.

All of the goals came after the manager change.
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short term bump ..

I'm not interested in the "who's fault" but the 3 seasons of "almost" burnt a few players along the way, by the end of that Poch into Jose era, Dele, Toby, Eriksen, even Lloris, had all lost something, love of game, motivation, just time catching up, whatever ..
 
thfcsteff said:
I will give Mourinho the covid era, obviously not ideal and could well have been different without it (albeit he might've stunk the place out faster with fans around every week) but why does everybody conveniently ignore the fact that he intimated quite clearly to Levy that he could win with 'that same squad'?
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The biggest red flag about hiring Jose was the fact that he thought he could win with that squad.
That squad was done, not just as a team but a good few of them as individuals.
We could all see it, how couldn't the special one.
 
glasgowspur said:
The biggest red flag about hiring Jose was the fact that he thought he could win with that squad.
That squad was done, not just as a team but a good few of them as individuals.
We could all see it, how couldn't the special one.
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It's not necessarily difficult to see how someone that isn't a devotee of the club and who watched a few games a season tops wouldn't necessarily have the same opinion as those fans that watched us week in week out, who could see the month by month decline in some players. The mistake didn't lie with Mourinho IMO, but with Levy in the board in going with "I've watched you a few times and trust me: you don't need s big rebuild" over "I see these players week in, week out, and we need a painful rebuild.
 
Raziel said:
short term bump ..

I'm not interested in the "who's fault" but the 3 seasons of "almost" burnt a few players along the way, by the end of that Poch into Jose era, Dele, Toby, Eriksen, even Lloris, had all lost something, love of game, motivation, just time catching up, whatever ..
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Along with Wanyama, Dembele and rose all being perma crocked and I think son was getting to the national service limit which must have been playing on his mind.
That squad was done.
 
thfcsteff said:
It is. Defiantly so.
You think we plateau'd in 2017? Wow, I don't know where to go with that one...
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What's funny is that I'm shocked that you seem shocked about the 2017 comment. I would think that most fans would only talk about 2 dates for the plateau. The 86 point highest league finish (16/17) or the CL final (May 19). For me, if you put that 16/17 team in the CL final then they have a much better chance of winning it.

Prime Wanyama - pre-injury.
Almost prime Walker - pre City.
Dele - pre all the soft tissue injuries.
Toby - pre that horrible 2018 injury where he never recovered that x-factor (and pace)
Danny Rose - pre injuries and public declaration of his mental health / depression.
Winksy - pre-injury, the best closing sub we had under Poch.
The tactics - the ability to switch seamlessly between the 2 formations. We smashed teams at the end of the 16/17 season.

Out of interest, when was your plateau out of the two, or are you thinking even somewhere else in recent times?
 
thfcsteff said:
I'll add this as a closer. I watched the clips of our 'supporters' at Fulham, berating Ange and going off at Tel. I have n o time for it whatsoever, and frankly, given the bollox Postecoglu has been facing all season, I found hios reaction absolutely acceptable and (if anything) mellow.
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I can’t agree with this at all Steff. If it was one isolated incident, I could overlook it but he has had a number of these altercations with supporters this season. Part of your job as a football manager is to shrug your shoulders at comments from supporters, lead your players by example. If emergency services workers can take the abuse thrown at them by some punters and still maintain their professionalism (and I have seen that many times), Ange should be able to show more self restraint; he acts like a fudging child. And in fairness, he has received far more backing and patience from supporters than other managers, so he really has nothing to complain about.
 
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