Danny Rose

[milo]

Here is a current pro who thinks differently. And I seriously don't think all pundits are in agreement about how we run things - Carragher has pointed out that we haven't won anything at all to justify our optimism, and the legion of armchair speculators from Merson to Shearer have derided us for our lack of spending as much as they've praised us for what we've done.

Only Gary Neville really seems to think we've done everything right - and I disagree with him there.

To summarise, the thick pundits think we are doing badly and the bright one thinks we are going about it the right way.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Purchased during those disastrous transfer windows we keep having? Eh?

With all due respect mate, s*d off with that nonsense. We've had good windows, we've had atrocious windows. I didn't hear a peep out of you when I was joyously happy about our business in the summer of 2015 and last year (I actually *liked* Sissoko's signing as a show of intent, while half the board was actively b*tching about it). I only hear the snark when I point out that this window is going disastrously wrong, very quickly - and needs to be rectified sharpish.

Also, address the point I made - not enough snark in that, but more valuable discussion to be had.

 

[Grays_1890]

Son? 22.5m, from a CL team who were doing better than we were at the time.

Rose, Walker, Dier, Dele, Kane? See Fazio, Stambouli, N'jie, DeAndre Yedlin, Zeki Fryers, and innumerable academy products (from Caulker to Parrett) that we all thought were going to be the next breakout stars but who ended up falling far short of that goal.

It is not as black and white as 'cheap punts have been good for us.' Never was.

I struggle to understand where you are coming from.

By Rose's own standards he would not go for a bargain youth player which he was and we need to bring in world class strength which would put his own place at risk because he is by no means our best players.

Issues I have with Rose:

- If fans were such an issue he would not have signed last season, all the negative stuff was way before that?

- Rose demands improvements, I suggest more important than him at club, so he is not above replacement by his own standards?

- Clubs philosophy has not changed over night, we have known this for years, so he would have 100% known when he signed contract

- Lastly, Rose saying same about his colleagues as he complains about the fans saying about him in a round about way........

 

[Grays_1890]

With all due respect mate, s*d off with that nonsense. We've had good windows, we've had atrocious windows. I didn't hear a peep out of you when I was joyously happy about our business in the summer of 2015 and last year (I actually *liked* Sissoko's signing as a show of intent, while half the board was actively b*tching about it). I only hear the snark when I point out that this window is going disastrously wrong, very quickly - and needs to be rectified sharpish.

Also, address the point I made - not enough snark in that, but more valuable discussion to be had.

By same standards Emirates Marketing Project and United have had equally bad windows but can buy their way out in the next window which we can't afford to do which is why Levy is diligent and Poch is also the same in trying to get the right players to improve the team and dressing room.

A fact that is lost on players and so it seems fans alike

 

[NaijaSpurs]

What i am saying is that IF Rose wants to move on to a club ( which actually wins things, and double his wages) then he should do it the right way. ie put in a transfer request and not by mouthing of to the press.

Agreed. My concern is however is that if we lose Rose too it probably will not end there, and whether he blurts stuff out in the media, or he does it the right way, there will come a time when Poch will want out. We have lost Walker and not sourced a replacement and the season starts tomorrow. We knew for some time he was going to leave

 

[SpurSF]

I'd do Rose + 40m for Shaw. 5 years younger than Rose and loves Poch. Short of the leg break (which he is now a full year removed from), I think Rose has been more injury prone than Shaw. He loves Poch. Poch loves him. You could spend that money on Pereira and our AM, and I think Poch could turn him into an even better player than Rose is now. Remember, before MP got here, he was a pretty awful player.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

If it is within our pay scale and their performances warrant it, we pay them more. If that is not enough, we hold onto them for as long as we can and then sell them for as much as we can.

Fine, but we did that with Walker and have failed to source a replacement when Poch knew KWP was not ready.

 

[milo]

Agreed. My concern is however is that if we lose Rose too it probably will not end there, and whether he blurts stuff out in the media, or he does it the right way, there will come a time when Poch will want out. We have lost Walker and not sourced a replacement and the season starts tomorrow. We knew for some time he was going to leave

Poch wanted Walker out, so I doubt that his sale would result in him wanting to move on. I am also sure that he understands the situation we are in and why we do our business the way that we do, he has spoken in support of it enough times. I am sure that we will see first team players leave over the next few years (and beyond, even the richest clubs lose players), the trick is doing it when we want and getting as much as we can for them, both of which we are quite good at doing.

 

[Grays_1890]

So much for life under Redknapp being the GHod he made out to be in the SUN

This is a stitch up by player and agent and I would not discount a tap up

 

[NaijaSpurs]

My biggest criticism is that we have won 11 of our last 12 league matches and got to the semis of the FA Cup without Rose, a player who is not fit enough to play for us until next month and he is in the press sounding off.

 

[DeleHarry]

With all due respect mate, s*d off with that nonsense. We've had good windows, we've had atrocious windows. I didn't hear a peep out of you when I was joyously happy about our business in the summer of 2015 and last year (I actually *liked* Sissoko's signing as a show of intent, while half the board was actively b*tching about it). I only hear the snark when I point out that this window is going disastrously wrong, very quickly - and needs to be rectified sharpish.

Also, address the point I made - not enough snark in that, but more valuable discussion to be had.

It's a seemingly frustrating window so far, but I guess we have to wait till the window closes before making a proper assessment of it.

If we and up signing let's say Pereira, Barkley, Sessegnon then there maybe some hope. Yes these signings look like attempts to put out fires caused by the sales of Walker and potentially Rose, but at least we managed to get some players in. Unfortunately that's the best we can hope for

 

[DubaiSpur]

To summarise, the thick pundits think we are doing badly and the bright one thinks we are going about it the right way.

I suspect every pundit who agrees with our approach will be labelled 'bright', and every one who disagrees will be called 'thick'. What's funny is that Carragher's essential point about trophies still stands, and always will - as Rose has now proven. Not bad for a thicko.

Do you expect every signing to be a success?

They all played a part while they were here (maybe not Fryers, but we can blame Sherwood for having to suffer him), whether it was as starters or just backups, and we made money from the vast majority when we sold them. Money that has been reinvested in new signings. Some will work out, most won't.

No, I do not expect every signing to be a success. But I expect that people who claim that our cheap punt strategy has been unreservedly good for us to recognize that it has not been. For every cheap punt we threw a couple of million pounds on, there was a good player at the opposite end of our scale of approachability/affordability who might have been the missing link that would have helped us over the line. And to advocate going full cheap punt in light of that fact is to argue against that inarguable fact.

I struggle to understand where you are coming from.

By Rose's own standards he would not go for a bargain youth player which he was and we need to bring in world class strength which would put his own place at risk because he is by no means our best players.

Issues I have with Rose:

- If fans were such an issue he would not have signed last season, all the negative stuff was way before that?

- Rose demands improvements, I suggest more important than him at club, so he is not above replacement by his own standards?

- Clubs philosophy has not changed over night, we have known this for years, so he would have 100% known when he signed contract

- Lastly, Rose saying same about his colleagues as he complains about the fans saying about him in a round about way........

A) Fans - he's never been shy about pointing out our hypocrisy re: his new contract back in 2014/2015. He's also been consistent in his view that he's happy at the club, but that he won't forget the way we treated him. Seems alright to me.

B) Improvements - he pointed out that Davies is challenging him for his place, and that he'd like to see that fierce competition replicated across the squad. So I think he accepts that he isn't above replacing even by his own standards.

C) Club philosophy - we finished 2nd, on 86 points, close to the title than we have been for many a decade. If, after such a great season, all he saw was regression and inactivity while the fig-leaf of the club's philosophy was paraded around as an excuse - why would he keep quiet about it?

D) - 100% agreed. I pointed it out in my initial post - he's being a hypocrite himself there, and damaging his own colleagues to boot - a worse action than the fans criticizing him, because he has a duty to his colleagues that the fans may not have to him in particular.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

So much for life under Redknapp being the GHod he made out to be in the SUN

This is a stitch up by player and agent and I would not discount a tap up

Of course, Walker and Rose share the same agent, he is simply doing what needs to be done to secure a move. Personally I would not sell him this summer even if he wanted to leave. He says he wants to start for England next year in the WC, the only way he gets that is if he has an excellent season, so I would ensure it is with us. IF wants out next season so be it

 

[DubaiSpur]

It's a seemingly frustrating window so far, but I guess we have to wait till the window closes before making a proper assessment of it.

If we and up signing let's say Pereira, Barkley, Sessegnon then there maybe some hope. Yes these signings look like attempts to put out fires caused by the sales of Walker and potentially Rose, but at least we managed to get some players in. Unfortunately that's the best we can hope for

There is still time, agreed. Not much, but there is still time if Levy wants to get his a*se in gear. I don't think we should sell Rose, though - Walker was bad enough.

 

[milo]

I suspect every pundit who agrees with our approach will be labelled 'bright', and every one who disagrees will be called 'thick'. What's funny is that Carragher's essential point about trophies still stands, and always will - as Rose has now proven. Not bad for a thicko.

We need to win stuff, everyone agrees.

I think that the point still stands, Merson and Carragher are thick as mince and tabloid rent-a-quotes. Neither of them have an opinion worth listening to on how to run a football club.

 

[DubaiSpur]

We need to win stuff, everyone agrees.

I think that the point still stands, Merson and Carragher are thick as mince and tabloid rent-a-quotes. Neither of them have an opinion worth listening to on how to run a football club.

Well, that wasn't the point the original person I was replying to was making. They asserted that *EVERY* pundit had praised us for the way we go about doing things, and I pointed out that it isn't true - most have been as a critical of us as anyone else at times. Only GNev is an exception to this.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

So much for life under Redknapp being the GHod he made out to be in the SUN

This is a stitch up by player and agent and I would not discount a tap up

This is absolutely the key point and why people need to stop thinking this stuff 'needed to be said' as if the people running our club have no idea of the positives and negatives of our strategy.

Rose is being entirely self serving. He praised Poch to the hilt a year ago and was happy to sign a new contract while claiming that he was delighted to be at Spurs until he was an old man. He knew what the strategy of the club was then, and he knew what the club was doing during the Harry years.

He is contradicting himself at best, and at worst is being to totally disrespectful with his 'players you don't have to Google' comment. But as I said, it is not even about his arguments, he and his agents have engineered this to get a move. It is absolutely nothing to do with wanting to see our club do better and I expect more of the people that are falling for it.

 

[Jordinho]

No, I do not expect every signing to be a success. But I expect that people who claim that our cheap punt strategy has been unreservedly good for us to recognize that it has not been. For every cheap punt we threw a couple of million pounds on, there was a good player at the opposite end of our scale of approachability/affordability who might have been the missing link that would have helped us over the line. And to advocate going full cheap punt in light of that fact is to argue against that inarguable fact.

It has been good for us. You only have to look at the current team to see that. Many of them were the type of signings that you'd describe as waste of money punts, but they were the ones that worked out. As long as we do our due diligence before buying to weed out obvious disasters I'd much prefer five cheaper ones that were young and full of potential than one star signing. What if that one 60-70 million player was a failure?

 

[StephenH]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/10/gary-...losive-interview-attacking-tottenham-6842100/

Im with Gary Neville on this

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

With all due respect mate, s*d off with that nonsense. We've had good windows, we've had atrocious windows. I didn't hear a peep out of you when I was joyously happy about our business in the summer of 2015 and last year (I actually *liked* Sissoko's signing as a show of intent, while half the board was actively b*tching about it). I only hear the snark when I point out that this window is going disastrously wrong, very quickly - and needs to be rectified sharpish.

Also, address the point I made - not enough snark in that, but more valuable discussion to be had.

I get what makes you happy.....spending. When it's not happening, you''re not happy. You start bashing Levy and even recently weren't that pleased that Lewis has not decided to w*nk his fortune up the wall.

And when you strip it back, What is so wrong with our strategy? You have complained many times, yet history shows we have continued in an upward trajectory , and considering that strategy, we are punching well above our weight. Something's going right somewhere.

It begs the question. What are you expecting? What extra are you trying to eek out?